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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He already said it, a right to fight. He, as all the fringe right, is always spoiling for a fight.
    Loves the US provocations to China,
    which even the CFR has said should stop!
    The provocations to China?
    Are you joking?
    Better never than late.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    The provocations to China?
    Are you joking?
    Scarborough Shoal standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Somehow, this ^ makes China the aggrieved party in all of these incidents. Yeah, beats me too.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    You're conflating two separate issues here. I have consistently said there is a venue for settling these disputes, and none of it involves building anything anywhere in advance of a settlement.
    Ok, you've already condemn China for building on the islands as provocative and aggressive. I guess this here was a veiled attempt at acknowledging that Vietnam is also being threatening and aggressive!!!!
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Actually, what you've bolded is what you claim I think - not at all what I have said or think. And no, I'm not checking every claim - I'm looking at the particular one that poses the greatest problem.
    There you go that's what I thought, just like everybody else that has their forgone conclusions on China, you don't need to look at all the claimants claims to see who's is the strongest, no objectivity necessary here, China IS the greatest problem. No wonder we get into so many unnecessary disputes.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    The provocations to China?
    Are you joking?
    Are you only asking if I'm joking, or are you questioning the senior fellows at the Council on Foreign Relations, too??
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Scarborough Shoal standoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Somehow, this ^ makes China the aggrieved party in all of these incidents. Yeah, beats me too.
    Lol. You think that's the extent of Chinese claims, or complaints.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, you've already condemn China for building on the islands as provocative and aggressive. I guess this here was a veiled attempt at acknowledging that Vietnam is also being threatening and aggressive!!!!
    Vietnam is hardly a threat to China - a fundamental reality you fail to acknowledge. That doesn't excuse Vietnam, the Philippines, Japan or any other claimant for their actions - it's a simple recognition of reality. Those countries individually pose no threat to China. China has violated international law and settlements it originally agreed to - i.e., broken their word as a nation and acted in an aggressive manner to militarily assert rights it doesn't have under the 1982 conventions as well as other agreements.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Here's two sound recommendations that the Council on Foreign Relations has for the United States if the interest is in defusing tensions.

    First, the United States should ratify UNCLOS; though it voluntarily adheres to its principles and the Obama administration has made a commitment to ratify the convention, the fact that the United States has not yet ratified the treaty lends credence to the perception that it only abides by international conventions when doing so aligns with its national interests.

    The United States should review its surveillance and reconnaissance activities in the air and waters bordering China's twelve-mile territorial sea and assess the feasibility of reducing their frequency or conducting the operations at a greater distance.

    http://www.cfr.org/world/armed-clash...ina-sea/p27883
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Vietnam is hardly a threat to China - a fundamental reality you fail to acknowledge. That doesn't excuse Vietnam, the Philippines, Japan or any other claimant for their actions - it's a simple recognition of reality. Those countries individually pose no threat to China. China has violated international law and settlements it originally agreed to - i.e., broken their word as a nation and acted in an aggressive manner to militarily assert rights it doesn't have under the 1982 conventions as well as other agreements.
    Vietnam and China are long-standing enemies. The point is not that Vietnam threatens China but that it threatens what China perceives as its vital interests in the South China Sea, while inversely China clearly threatens what Vietnam sees as its vital interests there.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol. You think that's the extent of Chinese claims, or complaints.
    No. It's indicative of China's lack of respect for agreements which they sign and their intent to aggressively and militarily claim what they couldn't by convention. It doesn't speak well in support of your argument that China is the abused nation here. It appears to be the opposite, in fact. Lol, indeed.

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