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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    On the bolded, so you acknowledge the US's contradiction. And China doesn't believe they have violated it.
    The right to free navigation in international waters is not dependent on UNCLOS.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Sorry, there is now. Apparently, you see no authority in IL then, yet you keep pointing to it when you think that China's violating it. Again, you're very inconsistent, hypocritical and as such, not credible.
    Sorry, but I've never said there was no authority in IL. There are times when IL is not determinative, but that's a very different standard. What is interesting to me is that you seem to apply IL only to the US.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I can't agree with you that China is simply engaged in symbolism.
    China's current actions are largely symbolic. The interests or views underlying them are not.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Freedom of navigation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    United States "Freedom of Navigation" program

    The United States' Freedom of Navigation program challenges territorial claims on the world's oceans and airspace that are considered excessive by the United States, using diplomatic protests and/or by challenge. The United States position is to insist that all nations must obey the international law of the sea as stated by the UN Law of the Sea Convention, although the United States has not formally ratified the treaty.[8] Some coastal states make claims that the United States see as inconsistent with international law, which, if unchallenged, would limit navigational freedoms of the vessels and aircraft of the U.S. and other countries.[citation needed]
    On several occasions, U.S. armed forces have conducted operations in areas claimed by other countries, such as naval operations in the Gulf of Sidra in the 1980s. Throughout the years U.S. forces have been performing "Freedom of Navigation" operations in the Straits of Gibraltar, Strait of Hormuz, Straits of Malacca, and the Indonesian Archipelago, the Black Sea under the name 'Silver Fox',.[9]
    One of the notable operations conducted as part of Freedom of Navigation program[10] was performed by USS Yorktown, during which, on February 12, 1988 she was "nudged" by Soviet frigate Bezzavetny in an attempt to divert the vessel out of Soviet-claimed territorial waters; some observers[who?] have called the event "the last incident of the Cold War."[citation needed]
    In 2014, China Youth Daily called the American program an infringement of China's "rights" to "reclaim" the South China Sea and East China Sea.[11]
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South China
    them's fightin' words. let's all blow each other up over some islands.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    them's fightin' words. let's all blow each other up over some islands.
    Freedom of flight and maritime navigation.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Freedom of flight and maritime navigation.
    whooptee ****.

    if you want to fight China, stop going to walmart.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    whooptee ****.

    if you want to fight China, stop going to walmart.
    Freedom of navigation is a core vital interest of the U.S. for which we have fought ever since the Barbary pirates.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Maybe they should, but you do realize that there's a significant difference between Vietnam threatening others and China threatening others, don't you. I am pleased that you admit that such practices are a threat, though.
    Wrong. China has the strongest title to the islands and as such, building on their islands isn't a threat to anyone. And if you think that it's wrong for China to build on disputed territory, then you must believe that it's wrong for Vietnam to do so. Now what's the big difference between Vietnam and China that would excuse Vietnam for building on disputed islands, but not China?
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No. I never said that. You should read the previous post, and reconsider.
    It's bolded in your post I quoted dude. You denied that any of the other claimants had built any military infrastructure on the islands and you were wrong. Wrong because you've got a bias against China and didn't bother to even check to see if anybody else had committed the infraction you accuse China of.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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