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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If your claim is true then I'm sure you can produce evidence.

    I am indifferent to whether you're sick of anything.

    Freedom of flight and maritime navigation is a core vital national interest of the US, supported by centuries of international law.
    On the bolded. Well then Jack, if your going to continue to dismiss IL when it runs counter to "US interests" and then assert IL when you need to reign in other nations, you have no credibility.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I very much doubt that the Spratlys are of any such 'vital' national interests to anyone other than the US in their efforts to provoke China into an arms race with the US. I have to say that compared to other historic provocations between nations over the last century this has to be the most pathetically transparent I've witnessed in my 54 years
    The Council on Foreign Relations has some advice for US policy makers.

    The United States should review its surveillance and reconnaissance activities in the air and waters bordering China's twelve-mile territorial sea and assess the feasibility of reducing their frequency or conducting the operations at a greater distance. Any modification of U.S. close-in surveillance and reconnaissance activities requires assessment of whether those sources are uniquely valuable or other intelligence collection platforms can provide sufficient information about Chinese military developments.

    In other words, like me, the CFR is questioning the need for the repeated US provocations to China, just because they can, when there's less provocative ways of gathering intelligence.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    OK, but the Convention on Seas is clear.
    I do not see how China can claim within another countries 12 mile limit or their other territorial waters.
    Do you realize that the US has not ratified the convention, (UNCLOS) which lends credence to the perception that it only abides by international conventions when doing so aligns with its national interests!!!
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    On the bolded. Well then Jack, if your going to continue to dismiss IL when it runs counter to "US interests" and then assert IL when you need to reign in other nations, you have no credibility.
    There is no bolded. IL never trumps national interest for any state any time. In this particular case IL is pertinent because the provisions for freedom of navigation are among the oldest in existence, and have been a vital interest of the US all the way back to the founding of our Republic.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is no bolded. IL never trumps national interest for any state any time. In this particular case IL is pertinent because the provisions for freedom of navigation are among the oldest in existence, and have been a vital interest of the US all the way back to the founding of our Republic.
    Sorry, there is now. Apparently, you see no authority in IL then, yet you keep pointing to it when you think that China's violating it. Again, you're very inconsistent, hypocritical and as such, not credible.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Do you realize that the US has not ratified the convention, (UNCLOS) which lends credence to the perception that it only abides by international conventions when doing so aligns with its national interests!!!
    True, but China has.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I'm completely aware of the various claims. Note that none of the other nations with claims are building a military installation, and none of them are threatening free use of international territory. Only China. If you would apply the same metric in that area you consistently apply to the US, you might come to a reasonable position. I have no bias against China. You do have a bias against the US however, and you show it here every day Monte.
    You really should learn more about this before posting.

    Surveillance imagery recently obtained by the Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) shows that in recent years Vietnam has undertaken significant construction in the Spratly Islands, a highly contested area in the South China Sea.
    The never-before-published satellite photographs, taken between 2010 and April 30 this year, reveal that Hanoi has been carrying out land reclamation activities on two features in the Spratly archipelago: Sand Cay (title picture) and West London Reef. According to the think tank, Hanoi has added 65,000 square meters to West London Reef and some 21,000 square meters to Sand Cay where [B]it has also developed military facilities.

    http://www.dw.de/images-reveal-vietn...sea/a-18451614

    And this is why you guys have credibility issues. You only see a problem when China does this!
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    True, but China has.
    On the bolded, so you acknowledge the US's contradiction. And China doesn't believe they have violated it.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, if they shouldn't be doing it either, perhaps they need to discontinue it if they expect China to.
    Maybe they should, but you do realize that there's a significant difference between Vietnam threatening others and China threatening others, don't you. I am pleased that you admit that such practices are a threat, though.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You really should learn more about this before posting.

    Surveillance imagery recently obtained by the Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) shows that in recent years Vietnam has undertaken significant construction in the Spratly Islands, a highly contested area in the South China Sea.
    The never-before-published satellite photographs, taken between 2010 and April 30 this year, reveal that Hanoi has been carrying out land reclamation activities on two features in the Spratly archipelago: Sand Cay (title picture) and West London Reef. According to the think tank, Hanoi has added 65,000 square meters to West London Reef and some 21,000 square meters to Sand Cay where [B]it has also developed military facilities.

    Images reveal Vietnam

    And this is why you guys have credibility issues. You only see a problem when China does this!
    No. I never said that. You should read the previous post, and reconsider.

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