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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    They've already so demonstrated with their declaration of an Air Defense Identification Zone in the East China Sea, in 2013 as I recall. (US advised commercial air carriers to abide by "all" regional regulations but advised the Chinese US military aircraft won't acknowledge the zone.) Now, in the South China Sea the Chinese have threatened a US aircraft flying in international air space and moved artillery to their island construction project.
    Interesting. And what makes you believe that your rights supercedes theirs in that region ? I cannot imagine what vital US strategic concern involves the Spratly islands

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Interesting. And what makes you believe that your rights supercedes theirs in that region ? I cannot imagine what vital US strategic concern involves the Spratly islands
    The right to free flight in international air space is global. China literally has no recognized territorial rights regarding air space over the Spratlys. The Spratlys are unimportant to the US but are of intense interest to several US allies. The US interest, a core vital national interest, is in freedom of flight and maritime navigation. You may very well soon see the USS Ronald Reagan battle group arrive to exercise those rights.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Your statement about "baiting, provoking, etc." is false.

    I'm not sure of the Poseidon's flight path,but the crew would have had every right to directly overfly the island. It has no standing in international law.
    No, it is certainly not.

    I'm pretty sick of you invoking international law when it fits your meme and flaunting it otherwise.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    1. Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative | Atlas

      amti.csis.org/atlas/


    2. Over half of the world's commercial shipping passes through the waterways of ... The Strait of Malacca, in particular, is one of the most important shipping lanes in ... The South China Sea contains significant proved and probable oil reserves, ...



    3. South China Sea Shipping Lanes - GlobalSecurity.org

      www.globalsecurity.org Military World War Spratly Islands



      Nov 7, 2011 - South China Sea Oil Shipping Lanes. More than half of the world's annual merchant fleet tonnage passes through the Straits of Malacca, Sunda ...


    Greetings, Jack.

    Very interesting links! It looks like I need to re-read Sun Tzu!

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    If part of the Philippines claim is upheld.
    Japan occupied the Paracels and the Spratlys from February 1939 to August 1945.

    After accepting the Japanese surrender of the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations, Japan had renounced all claims to the islands in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty together with the Paracels, Pratas and other islands captured from the Chinese, and upon these declarations, the government of the Republic of China reasserted its claim to the islands.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, it is certainly not.

    I'm pretty sick of you invoking international law when it fits your meme and flaunting it otherwise.
    If your claim is true then I'm sure you can produce evidence.

    I am indifferent to whether you're sick of anything.

    Freedom of flight and maritime navigation is a core vital national interest of the US, supported by centuries of international law.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Japan occupied the Paracels and the Spratlys from February 1939 to August 1945.

    After accepting the Japanese surrender of the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations, Japan had renounced all claims to the islands in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty together with the Paracels, Pratas and other islands captured from the Chinese, and upon these declarations, the government of the Republic of China reasserted its claim to the islands.
    OK, but the Convention on Seas is clear.
    I do not see how China can claim within another countries 12 mile limit or their other territorial waters.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Jack.

    Very interesting links! It looks like I need to re-read Sun Tzu!
    Good evening, Polgara.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The right to free flight in international air space is global. China literally has no recognized territorial rights regarding air space over the Spratlys. The Spratlys are unimportant to the US but are of intense interest to several US allies. The US interest, a core vital national interest, is in freedom of flight and maritime navigation. You may very well soon see the USS Ronald Reagan battle group arrive to exercise those rights.
    I very much doubt that the Spratlys are of any such 'vital' national interests to anyone other than the US in their efforts to provoke China into an arms race with the US. I have to say that compared to other historic provocations between nations over the last century this has to be the most pathetically transparent I've witnessed in my 54 years

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I very much doubt that the Spratlys are of any such 'vital' national interests to anyone other than the US in their efforts to provoke China into an arms race with the US. I have to say that compared to other historic provocations between nations over the last century this has to be the most pathetically transparent I've witnessed in my 54 years
    Since the US is doing nothing different from our normal activity ever since 1950 I fail to see a provocation. That normal activity is fully consistent with international law. And once again, the Spratlys per se are of interest to our allies, not us. I believe the Philippines and Vietnam have issued a joint declaration, for example. Nor do we seek an arms race, or have any reason to.
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