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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    The Chinese are the ones who threaten aircraft in international air space.
    I don't agree that telling them to leave, without forcing them to leave is threatening. I do believe that the US's spy plane was used as a provocation. I also don't think it will be the last such. There's a long US history of provocations to draw a first strike, and when that doesn't work, baiting, and when that doesn't work, false flag events.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't agree that telling them to leave, without forcing them to leave is threatening. I do believe that the US's spy plane was used as a provocation. I also don't think it will be the last such. There's a long US history of provocations to draw a first strike, and when that doesn't work, baiting, and when that doesn't work, false flag events.
    More fantasy. International air space is international air space. There can be no provocation flying where the US has every right to fly and China has no right to tell others not to be there. Your last sentence is false.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    1. Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative | Atlas

      amti.csis.org/atlas/


    2. Over half of the world's commercial shipping passes through the waterways of ... The Strait of Malacca, in particular, is one of the most important shipping lanes in ... The South China Sea contains significant proved and probable oil reserves, ...



    3. South China Sea Shipping Lanes - GlobalSecurity.org

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      Nov 7, 2011 - South China Sea Oil Shipping Lanes. More than half of the world's annual merchant fleet tonnage passes through the Straits of Malacca, Sunda ...


    You've yet to illustrate why China is about to alter that. As soon as you can give an example of China's resistance to free trade I'll take notice. It seems entirely unlikely given China's entire dependence on such free trade

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    China's historic title, by land treaty as well as the international acknowledgements of their title to the Spratly's is sufficient for me. I don't think that The Hague should even hear this case, and I think that China should tell them to kiss off. I can't speak to your other claims, my focus presently is on the Spratleys/Paracel's, and China's legitimate title of them.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    More fantasy. International air space is international air space. There can be no provocation flying where the US has every right to fly and China has no right to tell others not to be there. Your last sentence is false.
    I had thought earlier in our debate that they stayed at 13 Miles distance, but this morning I saw a photo of one of the islands in question that was taken by the Posioden (not sure of the spelling on that plane) that appears to be nearly directly over it, so I don't know, that could change things. And I already stated yesterday that I believe that if truly in international airspace, they can be told to leave, but of course the US isn't obliged to. And of course there's history of baiting, provoking and creating false flag events, documented.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Well it will be interesting to see the results.
    Question - Are these results binding?
    I hope that's all it will be is interesting. Which results are you speaking of?
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    I hope that's all it will be is interesting. Which results are you speaking of?
    If part of the Philippines claim is upheld.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    You've yet to illustrate why China is about to alter that. As soon as you can give an example of China's resistance to free trade I'll take notice. It seems entirely unlikely given China's entire dependence on such free trade
    They've already so demonstrated with their declaration of an Air Defense Identification Zone in the East China Sea, in 2013 as I recall. (US advised commercial air carriers to abide by "all" regional regulations but advised the Chinese US military aircraft won't acknowledge the zone.) Now, in the South China Sea the Chinese have threatened a US aircraft flying in international air space and moved artillery to their island construction project.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I had thought earlier in our debate that they stayed at 13 Miles distance, but this morning I saw a photo of one of the islands in question that was taken by the Posioden (not sure of the spelling on that plane) that appears to be nearly directly over it, so I don't know, that could change things. And I already stated yesterday that I believe that if truly in international airspace, they can be told to leave, but of course the US isn't obliged to. And of course there's history of baiting, provoking and creating false flag events, documented.
    Your statement about "baiting, provoking, etc." is false.

    I'm not sure of the Poseidon's flight path,but the crew would have had every right to directly overfly the island. It has no standing in international law.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    If part of the Philippines claim is upheld.
    I don't know what makes Hague results binding. I know they don't have an enforcement arm like my local court does, lol. It's not up to me obviously, but if I was the Chinese in this, and The Hague did rule against my title, ordering me to surrender territory that I have historical claim to, I'd be very pissed, right after I laughed. Something that is as obvious to me as stickers on a cactus is that Taiwan claims the entire archipelago, and Vietnam is engaged in their own reclamation project and has their own artillery installment, and that seems perfectly fine with many. I see the same vilification of China going on as I see with Russia, I see continuing policies implemented that are driving China and Russia closer together and I can't understand the logic behind that.
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