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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Militarily the artillery is of no value. It could be erased in the first half-hour of any engagement with US forces. Its only conceivable role is to threaten merchant shipping.
    It's fantastic that you actually believe that, and I rather suspect that you don't.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's fantastic that you actually believe that, and I rather suspect that you don't.
    It's straightforward military analysis. That artillery is useless in any other role. This isn't a hard call.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's straightforward military analysis. That artillery is useless in any other role. This isn't a hard call.
    Oh, if you'd look back, you'd see that I called out the military value of the artillery before you did. That said, jumping to the conclusion that it's intended use is against unarmed merchant vessels is a huge jump, really, you're going to suggest that China would engage merchant ships in such fashion. You sound like Bolten, McCain, and Netanyahu.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's straightforward military analysis. That artillery is useless in any other role. This isn't a hard call.
    Well, just because such pieces have been used in that exact manner for centuries doesn't mean....ah.... never mind.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, if you'd look back, you'd see that I called out the military value of the artillery before you did. That said, jumping to the conclusion that it's intended use is against unarmed merchant vessels is a huge jump, really, you're going to suggest that China would engage merchant ships in such fashion. You sound like Bolten, McCain, and Netanyahu.
    The artillery has no value against an armed opponent. Therefore its only use can be against unarmed opponents. The artillery poses a credible threat in that context. As for Bolton, McCain and Netanyahu, I'm honored to be mentioned in their company.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The artillery has no value against an armed opponent. Therefore its only use can be against unarmed opponents. The artillery poses a credible threat in that context. As for Bolton, McCain and Netanyahu, I'm honored to be mentioned in their company.
    Yeah. The intention is to force shipping out beyond artillery range. There is simply no other reason for it to be there.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Yeah. The intention is to force shipping out beyond artillery range. There is simply no other reason for it to be there.
    I'd have to look into the geographic particulars, but there are points along that shipping lane where that artillery's range would effectively close it.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The artillery has no value against an armed opponent. Therefore its only use can be against unarmed opponents. The artillery poses a credible threat in that context. As for Bolton, McCain and Netanyahu, I'm honored to be mentioned in their company.
    The next step will be the radars, naval cruise missiles and anti-aircraft assets, which will effectively enforce their EEZ claim. This is standard procedure as well. One could call it territory-grabbing in the traditional sense, with the only exception being that they're furnishing the land.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The next step will be the radars, naval cruise missiles and anti-aircraft assets, which will effectively enforce their EEZ claim. This is standard procedure as well. One could call it territory-grabbing in the traditional sense, with the only exception being that they're furnishing the land.
    Not referring to their EEZ claims, which is a whole other issue, the Chinese have the soundest title to the Spratly's.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The artillery has no value against an armed opponent. Therefore its only use can be against unarmed opponents. The artillery poses a credible threat in that context. As for Bolton, McCain and Netanyahu, I'm honored to be mentioned in their company.
    I know you are dude, glad to boost your standing. that's not entirely true. The pieces of artillery could provide a certain level of defense for the contractors working there. They certainly aren't offensive in nature.
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