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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Our position is that reunification should be peaceful and with the consent of the people of Taiwan.
    Which everyone knows will never happen. At any rate, it's yet another subject that the US isn't the decider of.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Which everyone knows will never happen. At any rate, it's yet another subject that the US isn't the decider of.
    On the contrary, most people expect it is inevitable.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    In Hawaii, where he (Ashton Carter) called on all countries to halt land reclamation in disputed waters and asserted that the U.S. will continue to operate in international waters according to international law and protect freedom of navigation in the region.

    Senior Colonel Xiaozhuo Zhao, an official in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, confronted Carter at the conference Saturday. Zhao completely rejected Carter’s premise and called his remarks about the South China Sea inaccurate and not constructive.

    “Freedom of navigation in the South China Sea is not at all an issue because the freedom has never been affected,” he said. “Also, it is wrong to criticize China for affecting regional peace and stability through its construction activities, since China has never taken any proactive measures.”

    Which is what I keep saying. People are attempting to legitimize the US inserting itself into a regional dispute that involves six countries, none of which is the US on the merits of its rights to ply international waters. Colonel Zhao was quick to point out the US strawman argument failure because such navigation has not been threatened!
    Zhao gave Carter China's view. The U.S. and China have a difference when it comes to land reclamation. While land reclamation might be seen as little for than China unilaterally imposing its terms despite disputes with various other countries, militarization of those disputed territories could give China a capacity to block shipping. That China reportedly has placed a mobile artillery unit on one of the reclaimed islands is a development that can be seen a posing a potential threat to free passage of shipping.

    Fortunately, at this point in time, the differences are not insurmountable. An accommodation may yet be found. Whether the parties will ultimately do so remains to be seen.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    this is pretty slik stuff by the Chinese. Extending their international territorial sea reach by man made islands and militarization.
    It's a nefarious South China Sea grab - but it's very effective.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Zhao gave Carter China's view. The U.S. and China have a difference when it comes to land reclamation. While land reclamation might be seen as little for than China unilaterally imposing its terms despite disputes with various other countries, militarization of those disputed territories could give China a capacity to block shipping. That China reportedly has placed a mobile artillery unit on one of the reclaimed islands is a development that can be seen a posing a potential threat to free passage of shipping.

    Fortunately, at this point in time, the differences are not insurmountable. An accommodation may yet be found. Whether the parties will ultimately do so remains to be seen.
    And Carter gave Zhao the US's view. I don't think that the US is seeking any green lights from China when determined to place artillery units on our territory. And this pre-emptive approach that we've been on since George W Bush came along is not useful whatsoever. Do you really think that China's preparing to interrupt the shipping lanes coming through there, really? And if so, they're going to do it with an artillery piece, that's it. Seems to me any number of nations around it would sink that little island directly. Furthermore, if you'd actually look at the documentation substantiating China's claims, with that of the others, you'd see why China rejects the notion that their claims are disputable.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And Carter gave Zhao the US's view. I don't think that the US is seeking any green lights from China when determined to place artillery units on our territory. And this pre-emptive approach that we've been on since George W Bush came along is not useful whatsoever. Do you really think that China's preparing to interrupt the shipping lanes coming through there, really? And if so, they're going to do it with an artillery piece, that's it. Seems to me any number of nations around it would sink that little island directly. Furthermore, if you'd actually look at the documentation substantiating China's claims, with that of the others, you'd see why China rejects the notion that their claims are disputable.
    What China is presently doing is largely symbolic. But in the medium- and longer-term, it would be reckless to assume only the best-case scenario will prevail. No one can be sure that a future Chinese government with the framework in place to impose its will on the South China Sea would, in fact, act benignly. That's why diplomacy in the near-term is so important. It can mitigate the risks in a mutually beneficial fashion.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    What China is presently doing is largely symbolic. But in the medium- and longer-term, it would be reckless to assume only the best-case scenario will prevail. No one can be sure that a future Chinese government with the framework in place to impose its will on the South China Sea would, in fact, act benignly. That's why diplomacy in the near-term is so important. It can mitigate the risks in a mutually beneficial fashion.
    I can't agree with you that China is simply engaged in symbolism. Too many people ignore China's (and Russia's) continuos complaints about the global insecurity potentials presented by a uni-polar world. From China's perspective, there's nothing mutually beneficial to US efforts at containment of their rise to power!
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Freedom of navigation.
    Nah its freedom of the US to provoke in this instance. China has not threatened to close any sea lanes

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Nah its freedom of the US to provoke in this instance. China has not threatened to close any sea lanes




    To the bolded, it doesn't matter, they MIGHT
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    To the bolded, it doesn't matter, they MIGHT
    The US simply wants a new arms race and China is the first decent contender since the fall of the USSR. Without creating a new existential military threat they cannot justify their colossal arms budgets forever

    Just to illustrate relative arms expenditures ......

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    Without a credible enemy whats this all supposed to be for ?

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