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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. There is no right to ask an aircraft to leave international air space. Moreover, the Chinese clearly threatened.

    "This is the Chinese navy ... This is the Chinese navy ... Please go away ... to avoid misunderstanding," a voice in English crackled through the radio of the aircraft in which CNN was present. . . . "

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    Yeah, we're all familiar with that. I don't see a threat.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, we're all familiar with that. I don't see a threat.
    Of course you don't.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Come on dude. How many times must I link up the 1887 Sino-French land boundary treaty recognizing China as the rightful owner of the Spratly's? And, I just gave you a list of six examples of international recognition of China's legal ownership of the Spratly's. What is wrong with you, seriously!!!???
    Well my friend I used Google Earth on those islands that you mentioned.
    The questions I have is the unilateral line from China within the laws? as they are right on top of other countries territorial waters.
    They originally agreed to group discussion, then altered their position to one on one.
    Then they started rapid building. On some islands they own.
    FP by the new Leader has diametrically changed from cooperation by past leaders to unilateral in this case.
    That is what is getting peoples attention.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We do not recognize Taiwan independence. And West Philippines Sea is a perfectly valid name. Malaysia has absolutely not been "in our arms."
    Why do you always do this Jack? Of course "officially" at State we don't, but in practice and indeed, we very much support Taiwanese independence, and were prepared to go to their defence should the PRC threaten it. And the "West Philippines Sea" is certainly NOT appropriate, and was stated by Hillary Clinton while she was still smarting from China's rebuke on Syria.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Well my friend I used Google Earth on those islands that you mentioned.
    The questions I have is the unilateral line from China within the laws? as they are right on top of other countries territorial waters.
    They originally agreed to group discussion, then altered their position to one on one.
    Then they started rapid building. On some islands they own.
    FP by the new Leader has diametrically changed from cooperation by past leaders to unilateral in this case.
    That is what is getting peoples attention.
    I don't know what further to say to you bud. I've pointed you to China's historic title to the Spratly archipelago, I've shown you a list of of international recognition to China's title to the islands, if I was making the decisions in China, it would look very much as it does now.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I think (hope) a war with China is extremely unlikely. It would no doubt be devastating to both nations.

    Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South China Sea - Asia - World - The Independent

    China has upped its military posturing, issuing a strategy paper saying Beijing would “surely counterattack if attacked” by an enemy amid concerns from the US and neighbouring countries over its developments in the South China Sea. The release of the document came shortly after Beijing lodged a complaint against the US for flying a surveillance jet over disputed territory in the South China Sea, where China is building artificial islands. Chinese state media reported that the white paper, issued by the state council, the country’s cabinet, underscored that Beijing was committed to world peace and believed that a world war was unlikely. But it added that “small-scale wars, conflicts and crises are recurrent in some regions”. The state-owned news agency Xinhua highlighted one particular phrase, which appeared in the “Strategic Guideline of Active Defence” section: “We will not attack unless attacked, but we will surely counterattack if attacked.”

    Much to the concern of its neighbours and the US, China, the dominant powerhouse in the region, has been building artificial islands and buildings in the disputed South China Sea, where the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan all have overlapping claims. In one area, the Spratly islands, the US says China has created 2,000 acres of land, with satellite images showing what appears to be an airstrip. The paper said that China’s armed forces would work to “resolutely safeguard China’s sovereignty [and] security and development interests” and work towards “realising the Chinese dream of achieving the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”. Announcing its release, the People’s Liberation Army spokesman Yang Yujun appeared to be referring to the US when he said that “outside powers” were attempting to “tarnish the Chinese military’s reputation and create an atmosphere of exaggerated tension.” He added: “We cannot eliminate the possibility that this is to create excuses for the actions that certain countries may be planning to take.”

    This really means nothing because they say they will attack if they are attacked. WELL OF COURSE THEY WOULD!!! Any country has the right to attack another country if they are attacked by that country. I really don't understand what is so alarming about these words. However, what the US is doing is not attacking China, and it does not wish to attack china. It is only monitoring China, just as China monitors the US. They may not have the capability to fly close to the US boarder, but they do have satalites and other passive ways of spying on us. Russia continually flies thru international waters while measuring our reaction to it. Which is also a type of spying. Really none of this should alarm anyone. It is only when someone decides to get trigger happy that we need to begin to worry.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    In Hawaii, where he (Ashton Carter) called on all countries to halt land reclamation in disputed waters and asserted that the U.S. will continue to operate in international waters according to international law and protect freedom of navigation in the region.

    Senior Colonel Xiaozhuo Zhao, an official in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, confronted Carter at the conference Saturday. Zhao completely rejected Carter’s premise and called his remarks about the South China Sea inaccurate and not constructive.

    “Freedom of navigation in the South China Sea is not at all an issue because the freedom has never been affected,” he said. “Also, it is wrong to criticize China for affecting regional peace and stability through its construction activities, since China has never taken any proactive measures.”

    Which is what I keep saying. People are attempting to legitimize the US inserting itself into a regional dispute that involves six countries, none of which is the US on the merits of its rights to ply international waters. Colonel Zhao was quick to point out the US strawman argument failure because such navigation has not been threatened!
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why do you always do this Jack? Of course "officially" at State we don't, but in practice and indeed, we very much support Taiwanese independence, and were prepared to go to their defence should the PRC threaten it. And the "West Philippines Sea" is certainly NOT appropriate, and was stated by Hillary Clinton while she was still smarting from China's rebuke on Syria.
    As usual you're long on claims and short on facts. "One China" is US policy and it's quite real.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As usual you're long on claims and short on facts. "One China" is US policy and it's quite real.
    Yeah, "official" policy (wink wink, nod nod) which means nothing. We will go to war with the PLA to defend Taiwan's independence, as you quite well know. and apparently they've been readying themselves.

    China's PLA Military Ready To Fight A Modern War: State Report
    China's PLA Military Ready To Fight A Modern War: State Report
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, "official" policy (wink wink, nod nod) which means nothing. We will go to war with the PLA to defend Taiwan's independence, as you quite well know. and apparently they've been readying themselves.

    China's PLA Military Ready To Fight A Modern War: State Report
    China's PLA Military Ready To Fight A Modern War: State Report
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