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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    A country that possesses land acquisitions in this manner, have no legitimacy in criticizing others.

    By the time the United States got serious about looking beyond its own borders to conquer new lands, much of the world had already been claimed. Only a few distant territories in Africa and Asia and remote islands in the Pacific remained free from imperial grasp. Hawaii was one such plum. Led by a hereditary monarch, the inhabitants of the kingdom prevailed as an independent state. American expansionists looked with greed on the strategically located islands and waited patiently to plan their move.

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    Ancient history. Would you state that same if China attempts to recover territory lost to Russia and their is the India problem?


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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Right. So you don't even know, but they just "cannot be all China's".!!!
    OK - Which ones?
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    And you know they are?
    Yes. Surely by now that's clear.

    b) The Far Eastern Economic Review (Hong Kong) carried an article on Dec. 31 of 1973 which quotes the British High Commissioner to Singapore as having said in 1970: "Spratly Island (Nanwei Island in Chinese) was a Chinese dependency, part of Kwangtung Province… and was returned to China after the war. We can not find any indication of its having been acquired by any other country and so can only conclude it is still held by communist China."

    b) Yearbook of the World published in Japan in 1972 says that Chinese territory includes not only the mainland, but also Hainan Island, Taiwan, Penghu Islands as well as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands on the South China Sea.

    a) Columbia Lippincott World Toponymic Dictionary published in the United States in 1961 states that the Nansha Islands on the South China Sea are part of Guangdong Province and belong to China.

    b) The Worldmark Encyclopaedia of the Nations published in the United States in 1963 says that the islands of the People's Republic extend southward to include those isles and coral reefs on the South China Sea at the north latitude 4°.

    c) World Administrative Divisions Encyclopaedia published in 1971 says that the People's Republic has a number of archipelagoes, including Hainan Island near the South China Sea, which is the largest, and a few others on the South China Sea extending to as far as the north latitude 4°, such as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands.

    a) Vice Foreign Minister Dung Van Khiem of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam received Mr. Li Zhimin, charge d'affaires ad interim of the Chinese Embassy in Viet Nam and told him that "according to Vietnamese data, the Xisha and Nansha Islands are historically part of Chinese territory." Mr. Le Doc, Acting Director of the Asian Department of the Vietnamese Foreign Ministry, who was present then, added that "judging from history, these islands were already part of China at the time of the Song Dynasty."
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    And you know they are?
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    Yes. Surely by now that's clear.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Yes. Surely by now that's clear.

    b) The Far Eastern Economic Review (Hong Kong) carried an article on Dec. 31 of 1973 which quotes the British High Commissioner to Singapore as having said in 1970: "Spratly Island (Nanwei Island in Chinese) was a Chinese dependency, part of Kwangtung Province… and was returned to China after the war. We can not find any indication of its having been acquired by any other country and so can only conclude it is still held by communist China."

    b) Yearbook of the World published in Japan in 1972 says that Chinese territory includes not only the mainland, but also Hainan Island, Taiwan, Penghu Islands as well as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands on the South China Sea.

    a) Columbia Lippincott World Toponymic Dictionary published in the United States in 1961 states that the Nansha Islands on the South China Sea are part of Guangdong Province and belong to China.

    b) The Worldmark Encyclopaedia of the Nations published in the United States in 1963 says that the islands of the People's Republic extend southward to include those isles and coral reefs on the South China Sea at the north latitude 4°.

    c) World Administrative Divisions Encyclopaedia published in 1971 says that the People's Republic has a number of archipelagoes, including Hainan Island near the South China Sea, which is the largest, and a few others on the South China Sea extending to as far as the north latitude 4°, such as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands.
    Then Chinese claims, the U Shape dotted line is legal according to you?
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Ancient history. Would you state that same if China attempts to recover territory lost to Russia and their is the India problem?


    China To Engage In 'Six Inevitable Wars' Involving U.S., Japan, India And More, According To Pro-Government Chinese Newspaper
    I offered that up to demonstrate the blatant hypocrisy in the US position taken against China regarding the Spratly islands.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Then Chinese claims, the U Shape dotted line is legal according to you?
    How does that address the five pieces of evidence bolstering China's claims in the quote, speak to them please!
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    I offered that up to demonstrate the blatant hypocrisy in the US position taken against China regarding the Spratly islands.
    A standard to which you hold only the US. Every country on Earth is the product of conquest.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    How does that address the five pieces of evidence bolstering China's claims in the quote, speak to them please!
    China's Aggression Is a Godsend for the United StatesNew York Observer‎ - 2 days ago

    ". . . China's aggression is incredibly stupid. . . ."

    ". . . China’s border strategy is no smarter than the Kaiser inserting himself into meaningless colonial disputes. An extra source of natural gas will not significantly affect China’s rise to regional dominance. The only thing that could is if Beijing picks enough border quarrels with Vietnam, the Philippines, Japan, Malaysia, South Korea, and others to push them into an alliance. There’s no reason they should otherwise: these are vastly different regimes and all stand to get rich if China gets rich. . . ."

    ". . . The only thing that could stop China from dominating Asia would be if a hostile, sustainable alliance of Pacific Rim nations emerged. Right now, many of the Pacific Rim nations are on the fence, protected by U.S. military power, politically neutral, and getting rich off China. But America cannot be a long-term guarantor of peace: its resolve will waver, and it is, after all, 8,000 miles away. The sole motivation for that alliance to form would be exactly what China is doing now: blustering, pawn-grabbing, using its superior local power to claim disproportionately insignificant objectives. That behavior is a godsend to the U.S., which doesn’t have to prod its Asian allies to band together and oppose China. They’ll do it anyway. Control of the Spratly Islands will not determine the future political course of Asia. But grabbing them might."



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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Chinese financial leverage over the US is a myth. I'd be delighted if they tried something like that but they won't, because they know they've got nothing. As for "the other way around," the US aircraft was flying in international air space and the Chinese threats (eight, IIRC) were recorded.
    What?!?

    Over $1.3 trillion is a heck of a myth (China and Hong Kong U.S. debt held).

    Japan now holds more U.S. debt than China - Apr. 15, 2015


    If China suddenly dumped all of it's debt, interest rates would shoot up...guaranteed. You cannot just dump a trillion dollars of bonds on the market and have your interest rates unaffacted. And America is TOTALLY dependant on VERY low interest rates right now. How is that good for either U.S. debt or consumers?

    Plus, the value of the dollar would plunge - making imports (including oil) much more expensive. And the poor/those on fixed incomes would get hit the hardest on this as they largely depend on those cheap imports.

    Additionally, confidence in the dollar would fall further...undermining it's world currency status.


    And how on Earth would it hurt China? They would sell the bonds - probably for dollars - and then convert that into hard currency (they already buy more gold then anyone else) and other raw materials they need for their economy. ANd they could buy foreign real estate and just about anything else they want.
    Plus, the value of the yuan would rise, which would make buying those raw materials less expensive.
    Sure, that would hurt exports to some extent. But since the dollar would be weaker, almost all other currencies would be stronger, so the affect would not be as great. Besides, China is trying to force their economy inwards and less outwards...this would facilitate that.
    Also, China does not depend on America as much as most think for trading. They only send 1/6 of their exports to America. Sure, it would hurt their economy if that were cut off. But it's no back breaker.

    • China: main export partners 2014 | Statistic


    Overall, China dumping it's U.S. debt could hurt China a bit. And it would probably not be catastrophic for America.

    But the idea that China suddenly dumping all of it's U.S. debt not hurting America significantly is - no offense - totally erroneous.

    You disagree - fine.


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