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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    China and Taiwan agreed years ago on this.
    Building was for the most part halted with the agreement made some time ago.
    China also thru that agreement out the door along with all claimants discussing a solution.
    They are making a Territory claim on other countries territory.
    Then China goes on a massive building spree, and claiming all of the disputed Islands.
    Do they have legal claims to some, yes, all of them, no.
    How in the world can it be "other countries territory" when the islands are DISPUTED?? Which islands do you acknowledge China's legitimate claims to?
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who's defining "legally" here. If you have any knowledge about how the US came into possession of Hawaii, I'd like you to explain to me how it merits your definition of legal?
    Not on topic now is it.
    Note I used a ? mark.
    Or are you stating that China has the right of military might to take what they want?
    Is that what you are implying?
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How in the world can it be "other countries territory" when the islands are DISPUTED??
    Look at the areas claimed by China.
    They cannot be all China's.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Why would they poke China in their face.
    The US position is for all parties to jointly negotiate a settlement.
    That's right, going inside the twelve nautical mile radius would be entering China's territorial waters, and of course poking them in the face.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Look at the areas claimed by China.
    They cannot be all China's.
    Right. So you don't even know, but they just "cannot be all China's".!!!
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Not on topic now is it.
    Note I used a ? mark.
    Or are you stating that China has the right of military might to take what they want?
    Is that what you are implying?
    A country that possesses land acquisitions in this manner, have no legitimacy in criticizing others.

    By the time the United States got serious about looking beyond its own borders to conquer new lands, much of the world had already been claimed. Only a few distant territories in Africa and Asia and remote islands in the Pacific remained free from imperial grasp. Hawaii was one such plum. Led by a hereditary monarch, the inhabitants of the kingdom prevailed as an independent state. American expansionists looked with greed on the strategically located islands and waited patiently to plan their move.

    Foothold in Hawaii
    Hawaiian Annexation [ushistory.org]
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What 'massive' Chinese build up could there possibly be on islands with an area of a few hundred hectares ? By far the largest island in the group is less than a mile long and a quarter mile wide so they are not going to be docking supercarriers there any time soon nor launching any invasions of its neighbours. What has been massive though is the US overreaction given the recent movement of the USS Ronald Reagan battle group into the far east
    Freedom of navigation.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Come on Jack I cannot believe you are that naieve. They knew exactly what they were doing and why they were there and I know you do too
    Of course, but the point they were making is they the right to fly there. There's no naivete in that; freedom of navigation/flight is a core US vital national interest.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Why ? What is it of such great strategic importance for the US on this tiny archipeligo, and don't blather on about that freedom of the seas/piracy BS because that doesn't wash. China has not threatened to close any sea lanes and does have the strongest historic claim here.
    That zone was in the East China Sea a couple of years ago.

    There is no claim, historic or otherwise, on international waters. If you use the term "BS" and say it doesn't wash then you do not understand the issue. Freedom of navigation is a core vital national interest of the US, for which I think we would go to war.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right. So you don't even know, but they just "cannot be all China's".!!!
    And you know they are?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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