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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    How is the US provoking China?
    So you think the US stated strategic pivot to the far east is somehow not meant to provoke China ?

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That is international air space.
    Come on Jack I cannot believe you are that naieve. They knew exactly what they were doing and why they were there and I know you do too
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    China already declared an air defense zone. We ignored it.
    Why ? What is it of such great strategic importance for the US on this tiny archipeligo, and don't blather on about that freedom of the seas/piracy BS because that doesn't wash. China has not threatened to close any sea lanes and does have the strongest historic claim here.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    I'm sorry, but... why the war ships and war planes of uncle Sam are in the South China Sea in the far western side of the Pacific Ocean? Should they be there? I didn't get it.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So you think the US stated strategic pivot to the far east is somehow not meant to provoke China ?
    Do you think that China claiming what they have claimed in the China Sea is not meant to provoke/intimidate other countries including the US.
    A strategic pivot is exactly what China is doing with the SC Seas claim and building in areas/reefs outside of their territorial waters.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Do you think that China claiming what they have claimed in the China Sea is not meant to provoke/intimidate other countries including the US.
    A strategic pivot is exactly what China is doing with the SC Seas claim and building in areas/reefs outside of their territorial waters.
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    They have the strongest historic claim to these islands so I have no problem with it. Its why the US is choosing to have such a problem with it that I take issue with. These islands are tiny ,of little military utility whatsoever and are 8000 miles from the US. They are just being used as an excuse to try and provoke the Chinese and somehow justify the US 'pivot' nothing more

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Do you think that China claiming what they have claimed in the China Sea is not meant to provoke/intimidate other countries including the US.
    A strategic pivot is exactly what China is doing with the SC Seas claim and building in areas/reefs outside of their territorial waters.
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    No. This isn't anything new. China has been fighting for and claiming and possessing and manning and improving the Spratly's and Paracel's for a very very long time.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Do you think that China claiming what they have claimed in the China Sea is not meant to provoke/intimidate other countries including the US.
    A strategic pivot is exactly what China is doing with the SC Seas claim and building in areas/reefs outside of their territorial waters.
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    How are the Spratly's outside of China's territorial waters?
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    They have the strongest historic claim to these islands so I have no problem with it. Its why the US is choosing to have such a problem with it that I take issue with. These islands are tiny ,of little military utility whatsoever and are 8000 miles from the US. They are just being used as an excuse to try and provoke the Chinese and somehow justify the US 'pivot' nothing more
    I was not referring to the Spratly's.
    So please answer what I asked.
    This is the present claim by China.
    SouthChinaSea.jpg
    Look at the photos then tell me this is not an illegal grab of territorial waters of other countries.

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=china...ih=767&dpr=1.2

    Then we have India preparing.
    Gunboat diplomacy: Indian navy ready to set sail to South China Sea ? RT News
    The Indian Navy’s military actions are a bit late, but meant to defend the country’s interests in the region, Sreeram Chaulia, the dean of the Jindal School of International Affairs, told RT.

    “It's seen as a belated but necessary move by the Indian military to be able to say that if our interests are now so widespread, then we will also need to show our capabilities to defend our interests come what may. And of course, the situation in the South China Sea has been deteriorating in terms of security and a high level of competition and bickering between some ASEAN countries and China,” said Chaulia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one cares about the islands. The issue is freedom of navigation.



    Well it is about that.....but there is more to it JH.





    China’s Island-Building Spree Is About More Than Just Military Might.....


    China’s playing Monopoly in the South China Sea—only, instead of building hotels on Pacific Avenue, it’s constructing helipads and, in some cases, whole new islands. The new reclaimed islands are only the latest Spratly rockpiles and reefs that, since February 2014, China has willed into existence by heaping sand atop of them–to the alarm among China’s neighbors.


    Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows the brisk clip at which China has turned Gaven Reefs into a helipad-supporting island.(IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly ©CNES 2015, Distribution DS/IHS: 1570064)

    UWC’s Dutton is less concerned about the lack of evidence; he says the US compiled solid documentation prior to the Chinese reclamation. But he brings up another potential spur driving China’s South China Seas buildup. When Taiwan holds its presidential elections in January 2016, experts say the Kuomingtang Party, which traditionally favors closer relations with China, is likely to lose to much less pro-China Democratic Progressive Party.

    If you turn the map, there’s a very interesting, almost direct axis line between the islands China’s been reclaiming in Spratlys and Taiwan and the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands,” he says. “If I were a Taiwanese security planner, that would have caught my attention".....snip~

    China's Island-Building Spree Is About More Than Just Military Might - Defense One

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