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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'd wager they would claim it was the other way round. I hope the Chinese are not dumb enough to get sucked into an arms race because of these US provocations. If they continued I'd simply call in my financial tab with the US if I were them .This sort of leverage wasn't available to the USSR back in the day so if the Chinese play the financial cards right it will be very interesting to see how things will play out economically. The Chinese could see their global hegemon arrive rather sooner than they thought
    How is the US provoking China?
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We'll then that's the problem, I've been talking about the Spratly's (and a bit on the Paracel's) exclusively, the whole time.
    Then most of the other claims by China are illegal?
    Including building and turning these man made islands into defensive/offensive operations militarily?
    Of course the Spratly Islands if found under the UN Convention to be China's would have waters that are exclusively China's.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Then most of the other claims by China are illegal?
    Including building and turning these man made islands into defensive/offensive operations militarily?
    Of course the Spratly Islands if found under the UN Convention to be China's would have waters that are exclusively China's.
    I don't know about the broader claims of all the waters and everything else you're talking about. I've been talking about the Spratlys and Paracels, which by my research, China has thee soundest claims to, and as such, they may do as they wish with them, and yes they should include the traditional twelve miles around them. Do you have any criticisms for Taiwan which claims the entire archipelago as well, and as such is stepping on the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei's claims???
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    How is the US provoking China?
    Look JANFU, you can take the position all day long that China's the big bad aggressor in this and the US, Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan and Brunei are victims being bullied, have at it. But please do not be coy about the US's provocation to China last Friday, that's really ridiculous. Of course the US flew right over the Chinese there as a deliberate provocation.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Look JANFU, you can take the position all day long that China's the big bad aggressor in this and the US, Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan and Brunei are victims being bullied, have at it. But please do not be coy about the US's provocation to China last Friday, that's really ridiculous. Of course the US flew right over the Chinese there as a deliberate provocation.
    That is international air space.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Look JANFU, you can take the position all day long that China's the big bad aggressor in this and the US, Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan and Brunei are victims being bullied, have at it. But please do not be coy about the US's provocation to China last Friday, that's really ridiculous. Of course the US flew right over the Chinese there as a deliberate provocation.
    ". . . From the cockpit, Lt. Cmdr Matt Newman told CNN, "There's obviously a lot of surface traffic down there: Chinese warships, Chinese coast guard ships. They have air search radars, so there's a pretty good bet they're tracking us."

    The proof was loud and clear. The Chinese navy ordered the P8 out of the airspace eight times on this mission alone.
    Each time, the American pilots told them calmly and uniformly that the P8 was flying through international airspace.
    That answer sometimes frustrated the Chinese radio operator on the other end.
    Once he responds with exasperation: "This is the Chinese navy ... You go!". . . "





    1. Exclusive: China warns U.S. spy plane - CNNPolitics.com

      www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/south-china-sea-navy-flight/
    2. CNN


      May 20, 2015 - Above the South China Sea (CNN) The Chinese navy issued warnings ... The series of man-made islands and the massive Chinese military build-up on ... of China's building activity and audio of Chinese challenges of a U.S. aircraft. ... Soon after the Chinese communication was heard, its source appeared ...
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    How is the US provoking China?
    Try, having a little objectivity.

    Provoking Beijing in the South China Sea Will Only Backfire on Washington
    When China declares an Air Defense Identification Zone in the South China Sea, the United States will have only itself to blame.

    Provoking Beijing in the South China Sea Will Only Backfire on Washington | Foreign Policy
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Try, having a little objectivity.

    Provoking Beijing in the South China Sea Will Only Backfire on Washington
    When China declares an Air Defense Identification Zone in the South China Sea, the United States will have only itself to blame.

    Provoking Beijing in the South China Sea Will Only Backfire on Washington | Foreign Policy
    China already declared an air defense zone. We ignored it.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    What about Chinese aggression?
    What about China is aggressive??
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    ". . . From the cockpit, Lt. Cmdr Matt Newman told CNN, "There's obviously a lot of surface traffic down there: Chinese warships, Chinese coast guard ships. They have air search radars, so there's a pretty good bet they're tracking us."

    The proof was loud and clear. The Chinese navy ordered the P8 out of the airspace eight times on this mission alone.
    Each time, the American pilots told them calmly and uniformly that the P8 was flying through international airspace.
    That answer sometimes frustrated the Chinese radio operator on the other end.
    Once he responds with exasperation: "This is the Chinese navy ... You go!". . . "




    1. Exclusive: China warns U.S. spy plane - CNNPolitics.com

      www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/south-china-sea-navy-flight/
    2. CNN


      May 20, 2015 - Above the South China Sea (CNN) The Chinese navy issued warnings ... The series of man-made islands and the massive Chinese military build-up on ... of China's building activity and audio of Chinese challenges of a U.S. aircraft. ... Soon after the Chinese communication was heard, its source appeared ...
    What 'massive' Chinese build up could there possibly be on islands with an area of a few hundred hectares ? By far the largest island in the group is less than a mile long and a quarter mile wide so they are not going to be docking supercarriers there any time soon nor launching any invasions of its neighbours. What has been massive though is the US overreaction given the recent movement of the USS Ronald Reagan battle group into the far east

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