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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    Thanks for posting this photo! Lucky you! To know they did this with rudimentary tools is what makes it so impressive! I don't know if anyone has determined how long this must have taken, even with thousands of artisans, but it must have been years! Were you able to see the full size horses and chariots that were also fashioned from clay which were part of this exhibit? *shaking head in amazed wonder and respect for the talent shown* And to realize we haven't even yet seen the full size city complete with his many-roomed palace, which includes rooms of concubines, still buried underground - words fail me.
    Its the scale of this place that is breathtaking and all the warriors have individual expressions. Some have battle scars and injuries on their faces and limbs too modelled after their real life counterparts. The chariots were indeed impressive, This whole site was discovered in 1974 when a Chinese farmer ploughing a field behind an ox bumped into the top knot of one of the soldiers. The rest as they say is history. It may be decades before its all revealed

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    So has China threatened to deny this freedom of the seas or engaged in piracy then ?
    No piracy (yet) but they threatened the US aircraft flying in international air space.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No piracy (yet) but they threatened the US aircraft flying in international air space.
    I'd wager they would claim it was the other way round. I hope the Chinese are not dumb enough to get sucked into an arms race because of these US provocations. If they continued I'd simply call in my financial tab with the US if I were them .This sort of leverage wasn't available to the USSR back in the day so if the Chinese play the financial cards right it will be very interesting to see how things will play out economically. The Chinese could see their global hegemon arrive rather sooner than they thought

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'd wager they would claim it was the other way round. I hope the Chinese are not dumb enough to get sucked into an arms race because of these US provocations. If they continued I'd simply call in my financial tab with the US if I were them .This sort of leverage wasn't available to the USSR back in the day so if the Chinese play the financial cards right it will be very interesting to see how things will play out economically. The Chinese could see their global hegemon arrive rather sooner than they thought
    Chinese financial leverage over the US is a myth. I'd be delighted if they tried something like that but they won't, because they know they've got nothing. As for "the other way around," the US aircraft was flying in international air space and the Chinese threats (eight, IIRC) were recorded.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Chinese financial leverage over the US is a myth. I'd be delighted if they tried something like that but they won't, because they know they've got nothing. As for "the other way around," the US aircraft was flying in international air space and the Chinese threats (eight, IIRC) were recorded.
    I seriously doubt the US debt to China is any sort of a myth. I'd also like to hear the Chinese version of events regarding this 'air space' incident too

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I seriously doubt the US debt to China is any sort of a myth. I'd also like to hear the Chinese version of events regarding this 'air space' incident too
    US debt owed to China is a very small part of US debt. Any attempt by China to "leverage" that debt would hurt them more than the US. As for the air space incident, I believe the transcript has been published.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    US debt owed to China is a very small part of US debt. Any attempt by China to "leverage" that debt would hurt them more than the US.
    I doubt that very much

    As for the air space incident, I believe the transcript has been published.
    The Chinese too ?

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    I doubt that very much



    The Chinese too ?
    ". . . From the cockpit, Lt. Cmdr Matt Newman told CNN, "There's obviously a lot of surface traffic down there: Chinese warships, Chinese coast guard ships. They have air search radars, so there's a pretty good bet they're tracking us."

    The proof was loud and clear. The Chinese navy ordered the P8 out of the airspace eight times on this mission alone.
    Each time, the American pilots told them calmly and uniformly that the P8 was flying through international airspace.
    That answer sometimes frustrated the Chinese radio operator on the other end.
    Once he responds with exasperation: "This is the Chinese navy ... You go!". . . "




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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I doubt that very much
    ". . . China’s hard currency hoard adds little punch to its geopolitical power because its stockpile results from a growth strategy that relies on an undervalued currency to keep exports competitive. If China threatens to reduce its investment in U.S. debt, it will either have to find alternative investments (not an easy task these days) or export less to the United States (not a good idea for Chinese manufacturers). Moreover, with so much invested in Western debt, China would suffer disastrous capital losses if it spooked financial markets. . . ."

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    The Chinese could see their global hegemon arrive rather sooner than they thought
    If you honestly think that, you're not paying attention.

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