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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Acting to establish a claim by force undercuts the possible validity of the claim. China has drawn a contorted and tortured map in an attempt to establish that claim as well. Note that the map China offers also includes Taiwan. I wonder if Taiwan should approach the UN and claim China as theirs.
    We are seeing why it is dangerous--even to the point of inviting war on a large scale--to have a weak sister like Barack Obama as president. It is six years of weakness under his presidency that has encouraged this aggressiveness by the leadership of China, just as it has encouraged other rivals and adversaries of this country to be aggressive. It takes courage, determination, and the ability to lead to further the interests of the United States in the world, however much that fact may offend the exquisite sensitivities of Barack Obama and his pajama-boy acolytes.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't think anybody can definitively state that "they know we aren't going to war over it"
    Probably not, but if I were China just now, I'd take that gamble.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes there would be, but as an American, of course my concerns are with American blood and treasure. I'm sure there would be Filipino citizens for example that would be taking up their own concerns with their own government over their feelings about spending blood and treasure in defense of the insignificant Spratly islands.
    It is not the Spratly’s. You refuse to look at the area claimed. You refuse to accept that China signed on to an agreement to address these issues.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Probably not, but if I were China just now, I'd take that gamble.
    Well there you have it, if I were China right now, I would fully expect a US military response to this, sense those with the power to order the Pentagon to make plans, the CIC and his cabinet are failing to acknowledge that China has the strongest claims to the Spratlys. Does anybody think that at a time when the US is seeking containment of China's growth and influence, that they'd be siding with China on this, when this situation presents itself as a good early opportunity for the US to engage China militarily now, before they have too much more time to balance the military power between the two states??
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    We are seeing why it is dangerous--even to the point of inviting war on a large scale--to have a weak sister like Barack Obama as president. It is six years of weakness under his presidency that has encouraged this aggressiveness by the leadership of China, just as it has encouraged other rivals and adversaries of this country to be aggressive. It takes courage, determination, and the ability to lead to further the interests of the United States in the world, however much that fact may offend the exquisite sensitivities of Barack Obama and his pajama-boy acolytes.
    I think China knows just how far they can go without serious repercussion. They won't start something they would lose, but they'll go up to the line. Potentially, China has a whole lot more to lose here than we do if they push too far. It is the South China Sea, after all. Of course, sitting here in the comfort of my home, I can say such things. It's a different story entirely if your ass happens to be the one on that line. If China says they'll fight, I believe them. Exactly who they intend to fight is unknown. As it stands at present, it isn't us.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well there you have it, if I were China right now, I would fully expect a US military response to this, sense those with the power to order the Pentagon to make plans, the CIC and his cabinet are failing to acknowledge that China has the strongest claims to the Spratlys. Does anybody think that at a time when the US is seeking containment of China's growth and influence, that they'd be siding with China on this, when this situation presents itself as a good early opportunity for the US to engage China militarily now, before they have too much more time to balance the military power between the two states??
    I don't think Obama is prepared to engage militarily with China over Taiwan, so I don't thing we'll be in a fight with them over the Spratlys. We could contain their entrepreneurial exuberance in the South China Sea, though. They aren't building a military base just to defend a military base.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I don't think Obama is prepared to engage militarily with China over Taiwan, so I don't thing we'll be in a fight with them over the Spratlys. We could contain their entrepreneurial exuberance in the South China Sea, though. They aren't building a military base just to defend a military base.
    And once again I ask what is the US stake in this and have any of its regional allies asked it to intercede politically or militarily on their behalf here ?

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

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    And once again I ask what is the US stake in this and have any of its regional allies asked it to intercede politically or militarily on their behalf here ?
    No, none have asked to my knowledge. If you haven't received an answer in nearly 200 posts that satisfies you, one doesn't likely exist that will. I hope our interests go beyond just the South China Sea, but I don't make policy - I just offer very pedestrian comment on it now and then.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No, none have asked to my knowledge. If you haven't received an answer in nearly 200 posts that satisfies you, one doesn't likely exist that will. I hope our interests go beyond just the South China Sea, but I don't make policy - I just offer very pedestrian comment on it now and then.
    So it could be claimed that the US is sticking its nose into something that is really none of its business and where it has never been asked to . I'm guessing that the stimulation of a new arms race this time with the Chinese might be the alterior motive here. Given the lack of any serious existential military threat since the end of the Cold War that huge US defence budget has to be justified somehow

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So it could be claimed that the US is sticking its nose into something that is really none of its business and where it has never been asked to . I'm guessing that the stimulation of a new arms race this time with the Chinese might be the alterior motive here. Given the lack of any serious existential military threat since the end of the Cold War that huge US defence budget has to be justified somehow
    You could say that. However, the US does have treaty obligations and that other thing I alluded to. You could consider those too if you actually take obligations such as those seriously. Consider for a moment what the disregard of treaty obligations on the part of the US might mean for England. You won't get much objection from us if you decide to go it alone. There are other issues as well, but I'm loathe to have to point them out.
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