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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    So China is flexing their muscles...this is interesting! We'll see what our response might be....
    You can frame it that way, however, China explains that they are preparing to protect their interests. Do you realise that at about the same time that Bush invaded Iraq, both Russian and Chinese military expenditures went on fast track? Patronising Americans won't be accepting this until it's too late to effect any change, but China and Russia have been negotiating treaties since 2002. They both have complained that the present US dominated uni-polar world is a threat to global security, and they intend to do something about it. And we've got people here wanting to roll up their sleeves and poke a stick at China, like the example I gave you with Hillary, or the more recent situation where the Pentagon invited CNN to accompany them while they did a flyby on China last Friday, presumably flipping them the finger because they can. We can learn everything we need to know about what China's doing on their islands via satellite, such provocations are unnecessary, as the CFR pointed out.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The name South China Sea doesn't mean the waters 600 miles from the mainland belong to China.
    I've been specifically addressing the Spratly's, and the dispute over them.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You can frame it that way, however, China explains that they are preparing to protect their interests. Do you realise that at about the same time that Bush invaded Iraq, both Russian and Chinese military expenditures went on fast track? Patronising Americans won't be accepting this until it's too late to effect any change, but China and Russia have been negotiating treaties since 2002. They both have complained that the present US dominated uni-polar world is a threat to global security, and they intend to do something about it. And we've got people here wanting to roll up their sleeves and poke a stick at China, like the example I gave you with Hillary, or the more recent situation where the Pentagon invited CNN to accompany them while they did a flyby on China last Friday, presumably flipping them the finger because they can. We can learn everything we need to know about what China's doing on their islands via satellite, such provocations are unnecessary, as the CFR pointed out.
    There was no flyby on China. There was a flight through international air space.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Good evening, Polgara.

    According to Monte the Chinese are just minding their own business.
    Good evening, Jack.

    And that makes me ponder all the possible outcomes when I look at the players involved in all the games that have been put into motion around the globe!

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, Jack.

    And that makes me ponder all the possible outcomes when I look at the players involved in all the games that have been put into motion around the globe!

    Just like what is expressed in Taipei's response to the Philippines: The world has been on notice for years and years that China has a garrison on the Islands. It is childishly naive to entertain any notion that Cloma and associates' claim to "right of discovery" can serve as the legal basis for Philippine government's claiming and the actions as announced by President Marcos. The pursuit of an private and official claim to the Spratly Islands should be held to be a violation of international law and a provocation to China.[1, p71]

    Spratlys: Philippines' illegal claims over Spratly Islands,kalayaan freedomland island group (Nansha (Spratly) Islands of China)
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Popular mechanics says in a war between China and Taiwan, the US gets routed by China. Based on a scenario with input from the Rand Corp, interviews with Pentagon officials and Chinese defense papers.

    The chance of war may be remote, but the Chinese strategy to deny American access to battlegrounds near China's coasts—and the hardware to pull it off—certainly exists. Since the Gulf War, the Chinese military has shifted from academic analysis of how to defeat U.S. aircraft carriers in the East China and South China seas to buying and building the weapons to make the plan a strategic reality. This is not a Cold War–era buildup, aimed at waging or deterring an apocalyptic last stand. This is a force engineered to win a limited local war—for example, keeping the United States away long enough to win Taiwan.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...uld-look-like/
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    The economic NATO of the Pacific.

    CFR Says China Must Be Defeated, & TPP Is Essential to That
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    Judging by its rhetoric, the current Chinese leadership has seemingly bought into the Russian narrative about the dangers of instability resulting from Western-backed social revolutions that overthrow local regimes.

    http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/a...said-than-done
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    China has the soundest title to the Spratlys of any of the other claimants.
    That's BS Monte. Then why before the last decade, going back 40 years were they not our making such a claim.

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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's BS Monte. Then why before the last decade, going back 40 years were they not our making such a claim.
    But they did. And their earliest title dates to 1887 when they won the uninhabited islands in a war with France. In 1907, they also placed flags and markers on the islands. After the conclusion of WW11, the Japanese were forced to return the archipelago to China in 1947, which they had seized from them in 1939. I've only pointed these facts out numerous times now.
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    Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US is not bound to support Manila in the event of Filipino aggression.
    Notice Monte he said Chinese aggression. Nothing was said about Filipino aggression. Quit moving the goalposts as it won't help your Anti American ass out, anyways. Have you figured out why Japan, Vietnam, and those other countries aren't talking about Filipino aggression. Can you figure out the part about them talking about Chinese aggression? Might be a clue that you just can't get around. Just like when China acts out on their own.

    Why isn't any Military, Defense, or Intel experts talking about Filipino aggression? Could it be that....because there is none by the Filipinos. Or do you always blindly follow what adversaries of the US say.

    Looks like you and those Arabs who have trained you, will need to go back and study History. Not their version of it. Nor Revisionist history made up by the Left. Since they aren't much up on, acquiring knowledge.

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