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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    More like if Israel did not have a huge and extremely well funded lobby here, they wouldn't get all that money. Moreover, you also have the evangelicals here that think we have to write Israel blank checks or risk the wrath of God. In the end, I doubt true need has much to do with it. Israel is a fairly wealthy and developed country, surely you could just bump your tax rates up a little more if you needed to spend more on defense rather than relying on the American taxpayer.
    Unless you believe Obama is an evangelist I'm not seeing your point. As wealthy as Israel is when you're waging a 50 days war against a terror organization that launches thousands of rockets at your cities that you need Iron Dome missiles to counter, you need quite a lot of funds to manage to intercept those rockets and not go bankrupt, funds that I doubt Israel can gain on its own with its small size and population.
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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Considering the deal the Obama Administration is willing to cut with Iran, absolutely. We've invested a pile of money so far, a little bit more to insure Israel's survival seems like good insurance against a potentially bad outcome.
    So much wrong with this its hard to begin... But I'll try.

    "Invested"? What exactly are we in the US investing in?
    A "little bit more"?
    This is buying insurance? Insurance for what?
    This has what to do with the Iran deal? Cutting a deal that keeps Iran from getting nukes would seem to indictate that Israel needs a 50% pay cut in defense assistance.
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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Me telling you it all bothers me and then producing evidence to show I'm not inconsistent proves you are wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt.
    Again, the fact that the only two places where you've bothered criticizing aid to any nation other than Israel is this thread and another Israel-bashing thread that again you yourself have opened is proving beyond any doubt that you have a bigger issue with aid to Israel than to other countries. Furthermore you've only criticized the aid to nations other than Israel after being confronted about the aid to other nations, both in this thread and the other. I don't see how's that so hard to admit.
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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Again, the fact that the only two places where you've bothered criticizing aid to any nation other than Israel is this thread and another Israel-bashing thread that again you yourself have opened is proving beyond any doubt that you have a bigger issue with aid to Israel than to other countries. Furthermore you've only criticized the aid to nations other than Israel after being confronted about the aid to other nations, both in this thread and the other. I don't see how's that so hard to admit.
    You know, there is a topic here that isn't the OP himself that can be addressed. If you insist on making the OP the topic of your choice then quit pussyfooting around and call him a racist anti-semite instead of insinuating it over and over again. IMO you'd be way wrong but at least I'd have a modicum of respect for you being forthright in your opinion instead of watching you play this coy game with the obvious intent of derailing the thread.
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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Should we give Israel more aid?
    While I can't comment on specific amounts as I'm not privy to the security-related details on which the figures are based, I support accommodating Israel's request for a number of reasons:

    1. Israel remains a longstanding strategic ally. Strengthening such allies is in the U.S. national interest.
    2. Israel is an island of stability in a region in turmoil. U.S. policy approaches that maximize Israel's ability to remain stable and prosperous in the region are consistent with the United States' Mideast interests.
    3. Assuring that Israel maintains a qualitative military edge over its regional rivals is compatible with a regional balance of power that is consistent with American interests.
    4. Israel is an American trading and economic partner. The two-way trade is mutually beneficial to the two countries; business relationships between U.S. and Israeli firms help promote competitive advantages that benefit both countries.
    5. With a stable and longstanding democratic political system, Israel and the United States share important political values as they relate to representative government, both in theory and in practice.

    In the end, a stable, prosperous, and secure Israel is in the American national interest. As the U.S. faces no imminent fiscal catastrophes that would justify denying the request, which is tiny relative to the U.S. federal budget, I support accommodation of this request.

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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Again, the fact that the only two places where you've bothered criticizing aid to any nation other than Israel is this thread and another Israel-bashing thread that again you yourself have opened is proving beyond any doubt that you have a bigger issue with aid to Israel than to other countries. Furthermore you've only criticized the aid to nations other than Israel after being confronted about the aid to other nations, both in this thread and the other. I don't see how's that so hard to admit.
    Alright, whatever you say bud. Moving on...

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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You know, there is a topic here that isn't the OP himself that can be addressed. If you insist on making the OP the topic of your choice then quit pussyfooting around and call hi a racist anti-semite instead of insinuating it over and over again. IMO you'd be way wrong but at least I'd have a modicum of respect for you being forthright in your opinion instead of watching you play this coy game with the obvious I tent of derailing the thread.
    You're hugely mistaken if you think I'm trying to earn your respect here mate.
    And my initial post was fully on-topic, since then I'm simply in reply-mode.
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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Should we give Israel more aid?
    No, we should be avoiding entangling alliances whenever possible. Which means eventually ending our aid to Israel (and many others.)
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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So much wrong with this its hard to begin... But I'll try.

    "Invested"? What exactly are we in the US investing in?
    A "little bit more"?
    This is buying insurance? Insurance for what?
    This has what to do with the Iran deal? Cutting a deal that keeps Iran from getting nukes would seem to indictate that Israel needs a 50% pay cut in defense assistance.
    So much potential BS in your post, it's hard to know where to begin.

    So I won't.

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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Unless you believe Obama is an evangelist I'm not seeing your point. As wealthy as Israel is when you're waging a 50 days war against a terror organization that launches thousands of rockets at your cities that you need Iron Dome missiles to counter, you need quite a lot of funds to manage to intercept those rockets and not go bankrupt, funds that I doubt Israel can gain on its own with its small size and population.
    You wouldn't have to suck for US money to keep off the assault of the damned if you treated them like human beings in the first place. Likewise, there wouldn't so much antisemitism today if it wasn't for the actions of the rogue nation that most of your people support.

    How many people did those gazillion "rockets" killed, so far? Yeah, you poor eternal martyr you.
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