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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I would argue Israel is a complete liability to the US politically , militarily and economically

    http://defensetech.org/2013/12/24/re...logy-to-china/

    >Sale of technologies and designs of its LAVI fighter to china for its J-10
    > Sale of radar technology to China
    > Sale of Harpy attack UAV
    > Sale of American-Israeli tech on High energy lasers to China
    > Sale of technology of US tech derrived Python-3 and Python-4 air to air missiles to China
    > Sale of C4I technologies to China
    > Help in Chinese anti-ballistic missile tech from the US patriot missiles it has

    Israel apologizes to U.S. over sale of technology to china, page 1



    Technologies I'm sure the Chinese will be happy to acquire from Israel very soon
    Most of it is nonsense, Israel had only done the US wrong once in its trades with China, an apology was made and the responsible individual had actually gone to resign from office. Generally speaking it's notably irrelevant in any objective analysis of the entire relationship, so you aren't being rational about it here.
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Mexicans just cross our border looking for work; they seem disinclined to rain rockets down on our school children.
    That didn't answer my question

    One could argue that. One would be historically illiterate to do so, but that doesn't stop most.
    And what problems did the US face in the region before its intimate involvement with Israel then ?

    Quite the opposite, the US has a solid vested interest in halting nuclear proliferation to terror-supporting regimes.
    But you are OK with Israel having them though ? Thats never going to work out very well

    That depends on what you mean by "threaten". Threaten to annihilate? Maybe. WMD changes the nature of that game, and it was a big sphincter-tightening moment when Saddam started sending SCUDs into Israel.

    But yes, peace between Egypt and Israel has thus far worked pretty well as a policy - and well worth the coinage. Unless, of course, you want more massive conflict in the middle east ,and are of the opinion that the Arabs should instead unite to wipe out the state of Israel, in which case I can A) understand why you would think that the US spending some money to purchase peace is a bad thing and B) dismiss you entirely.
    Lets just say for arguments sake Israel had fallen during the 1973 Yom Kippur conflict. How do you think the US position in the region would be different today ?

    Then you need to spend some time studying the history of this region. Al-Qa'ida didn't really give a flying rats' ass about Israel when it was founded
    On the contrary it was a touchstone for its dissent. By Bin Laden’s own account, this is why al Qaeda attacked America. His critique has never been cultural; he never mentions Madonna, Hollywood, homosexuality or drugs in his diatribes. US support for Israel, especially the support it gave to Israel’s invasion of southern Lebanon in 1982, first triggered Bin Laden’s anti-Americanism.

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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    I say not another penny until the settlements stop completely.

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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    I say end all military aid to all countries.

    Including South Korea, Israel, Egypt...everyone.

    If they cannot make it on their own...tough.
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Most of it is nonsense, Israel had only done the US wrong once in its trades with China, an apology was made and the responsible individual had actually gone to resign from office. Generally speaking it's notably irrelevant in any objective analysis of the entire relationship, so you aren't being rational about it here.
    The Israelis are the greatest military liability the US currently has and the record goes back decades involving some of the most militarily sensitive technologies.

    WRMEA | Defense and Intelligence: Pentagon, GAO Report Israeli Espionage And Illegal Technology Retransfer
    Last edited by flogger; 05-27-15 at 12:01 PM.

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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Pretty hard to shoot down a rocket fired at you from an unarmed population. another one of those apparently nonexistent rockets fired today, in fact.
    Oh, they have hammers, too. And spades. And pointy sticks. I guess that doesn't make them an "unarmed population", huh?

    How many Israelis did these potassium-loaded flying objects killed? I'll bet they cost more Palestinian lives.


    it's not impossible, a lot of what Israel provides is intangible. How do you put a financial metric onto (for example) human intelligence that ISIL is planning an attack in (making something up) Spain?
    Sure, 'cause if you don't grease 'em well, they just going to keep that for themselves (like they did with 9-11), huh? After all you and all the rest are merely goyim, between man and animal. Think not about what Israel can do for you, but rather what could you do for Israel, bud.
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The Israelis are the greatest military liability the US currently has and the record goes back decades involving some of the most militarily sensitive technologies.

    WRMEA | Defense and Intelligence: Pentagon, GAO Report Israeli Espionage And Illegal Technology Retransfer
    Now you're just citing known conspiracy theory websites with an anti-Israeli agenda. A tiny advice; stick to mainstream sources.
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Now you're just citing known conspiracy theory websites with an anti-Israeli agenda. A tiny advice; stick to mainstream sources.
    Please cite where this is in error then ? You've already been given a considerable list to choose from
    Last edited by flogger; 05-27-15 at 12:16 PM.

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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Please cite where this is in error then ?
    The claim that Israel sold the Lavi aircraft (an indigenous Israeli technology by the way) and the Patriot missiles technologies to China is a baseless one. While it was made by Washington Times back in 1992, there was not a single evidence given to support that assertion, and as such it remains a baseless claim.

    In 1992, the Washington Times alleged that exported American Patriot missiles and Israel's indigenous Lavi jet aircraft technology had been shared with China, although official U.S. investigations did not substantiate these charges.[48]
    China

    And regardless of the above when it comes to sites like globalresearch and WRMEA and other well-known conspiracy theory sites I tend to just ignore them. There is no reason at all that you wouldn't be able to find whatever it is you wish to find to support your assertions in the mainstream media.
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Now you're just citing known conspiracy theory websites with an anti-Israeli agenda. A tiny advice; stick to mainstream sources.
    I've long been of the opinion that requiring posters to reference legitimate news sites would improve this site greatly.

    The constant parade of hate sites gets awfully irritating.
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