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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I appreciate your personal belief in that, but it is subjective and it has no place in the public world of politics and diplomacy. Please keep it out of the debate.
    Show me a rule for that and I will. Otherwise it's entirely pertinent to this conversation.
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by MVictorP View Post
    You see your God as a goon for the Jewish mafia?

    I like to imagine mine more... godly.

    But overall I don't think that's good to drink too much holy water.
    godly: synonyms: religious, devout, pious, reverent, believing, *God-fearing, saintly, holy, prayerful, spiritual, churchgoing
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    godly: synonyms: religious, devout, pious, reverent, believing, *God-fearing, saintly, holy, prayerful, spiritual, churchgoing
    I know it's OT and only a matter of time before a mod blunders in, but you are wrong.

    The synonyms you are giving are for religious people such as you. I meant "godly" in the angelic, celestial, deific, divine, good, holy, righteous, saintly sense. How the heck can a God be pious or believing? To some sort of meta-God, probably? That's simply ridiculous. There are many things people write without thinking, like on auto-pilot.

    And a god that lowers him(her)self to being a goon working for one people in particular but not the others, and about money matters (no less) isn't "godly". Not at all. Maybe this god you are praying to is in fact the devil. Maybe the devil likes how the Israelis are doing things. It sure brings him lots of buisness.

    And I insist that the God in the OT is different from the one proposed in the NT. What did the Christ said about rebuilding the Temple? A temple is a much more pin-on symbol for gods and religions than prophets might be.
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Show me a rule for that and I will. Otherwise it's entirely pertinent to this conversation.
    No, it's not. I'm satisfied that most Americans don't want the government basing Israeli aid policy on antiquated passages of the Torah!!
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by MVictorP View Post
    I know it's OT and only a matter of time before a mod blunders in, but you are wrong.

    The synonyms you are giving are for religious people such as you. I meant "godly" in the angelic, celestial, deific, divine, good, holy, righteous, saintly sense. How the heck can a God be pious or believing? To some sort of meta-God, probably? That's simply ridiculous. There are many things people write without thinking, like on auto-pilot.

    And a god that lowers him(her)self to being a goon working for one people in particular but not the others, and about money matters (no less) isn't "godly". Not at all. Maybe this god you are praying to is in fact the devil. Maybe the devil likes how the Israelis are doing things. It sure brings him lots of buisness.

    And I insist that the God in the OT is different from the one proposed in the NT. What did the Christ said about rebuilding the Temple? A temple is a much more pin-on symbol for gods and religions than prophets might be.
    You said *godly. That applies to actions of mere mortals not, God himself who is immaculate. He has never changed or varied from his position. Neither has Christ.

    Where in human history did people start believing otherwise would be the big question. Where did we come up with the idea we could simply change the rules mid-game?
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, it's not. I'm satisfied that most Americans don't want the government basing Israeli aid policy on antiquated passages of the Torah!!
    I'd say that's the number 1 reason people do support Israel and the Jewish people. Natural man has just assumed he knows better.

    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/natural-man
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You said *godly. That applies to actions of mere mortals not, God himself who is immaculate. He has never changed or varied from his position. Neither has Christ.
    Please explain "New Testament", then

    The Bible is a work of man. Emperor Constantine himself decided which book would be included in the population-control bible he was putting on. And one of his bigest mistake was to mix up the Old and the New. The god in the NT proposes presenting the other cheek, while the one in the OT fixes the prices you can get while selling your daughter. C'mon, bud.
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by MVictorP View Post
    Please explain "New Testament", then

    The Bible is a work of man. Emperor Constantine himself decided which book would be included in the population-control bible he was putting on. And one of his bigest mistake was to mix up the Old and the New. The god in the NT proposes presenting the other cheek, while the one in the OT fixes the prices you can get while selling your daughter. C'mon, bud.
    Through atonement [The reconciliation of God and humans brought about by the redemptive life and death of Jesus] and our faith, we have been allowed a new spiritual life. [should we choose to accept it]

    However, Christ said for us to go forth and SIN NO MORE. As a group, we have failed him and his Father mightily.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Through atonement [The reconciliation of God and humans brought about by the redemptive life and death of Jesus] and our faith, we have been allowed a new spiritual life. [should we choose to accept it]

    However, Christ said for us to go forth and SIN NO MORE. As a group, we have failed him and his Father mightily.
    And what about giving an answer to my post?
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Should we give Israel more aid?

    Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package | Jewish Telegraphic Agency

    Israel reportedly wants the U.S. to increase its annual defense assistance package by half, to an average $4.5 billion. Defense News reported this weekend that Israel and U.S. officials have in recent months begun negotiations on the next 10-year aid package. The previous package, negotiated by the George W. Bush and Ehud Olmert governments in 2007, averaged $3 billion of assistance each year, for a total of $30 billion, from 2007-2017. The government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants that to increase to $42-45 billion over the 2018-2028 period, Defense News reported, adding that President Barack Obama during his March 2013 visit to Israel “endorsed in principle” that range.

    Defense News quotes “U.S. and Israeli experts” as saying that the amount would be separate from any package the United States offered Israel as compensation for the Iran nuclear deal now being negotiated between Iran and the major powers. Like the defense assistance package currently in place, it is also separate from the $1.2 billion in materiel the United States stores in Israel and which under certain conditions is available for Israeli use, and from the approximately $500 million in U.S. funds provided to Israeli anti-missile development each year.
    So long as they pay up.

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