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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And they're also incredulous that, for years, their own government would reject their calls for a thorough investigation.
    The tragedy was the subject of thirteen investigations. Every one of them concluded that the attack was an accident.

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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Well then I sure as hell hope you haven't ever eaten any shrimp, lobster or mussels before.

    Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
    9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
    10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
    11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
    12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

    Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
    9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
    10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

    That being said... it's high time for a much fatter line drawn between church and state. It's hard to govern with people acting so heavenly minded they are no earthly good.
    please explain what you mean by''a much fatter line drawn between church and state''

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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The tragedy was the subject of thirteen investigations. Every one of them concluded that the attack was an accident.
    I'm sure most people understand why the US would seek an "official" conclusion that exonerated Israel, and you of course are welcome to that opinion, myself, NEVER!!!

    Except for McNamara, most senior administration officials from Secretary of State Dean Rusk on down privately agreed with Johnson's intelligence adviser, Clark Clifford, who was quoted in minutes of a National Security Council staff meeting as saying it was "inconceivable" that the attack had been a case of mistaken identity.

    There are cases that a third party intelligence agents are killed during military actions, by mistake or not. Dayan certainly didn't want LBJ to demand an immediate ceasefire before his tanks reach the Suez canal. During WW2 many people died through the US air attacks on friendly ground...

    The attack "couldn't be anything else but deliberate," the NSA's director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told Congress.

    "I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director, said in an interview.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-li...ry.html#page=1
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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The attack "couldn't be anything else but deliberate," the NSA's director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told Congress.
    When the tragedy was first investigated, Carter made no such claims. Moreover, upon receiving the findings, he raised no objections. Instead, he "instructed the chief of his telecommunications organization, Colonel Leslie J. Bolstridge, USAF, to review the report in minute detail with a view to 'correcting our procedures wherever we can profit from this debacle of military communications." (https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_fil...ack_sigint.pdf, p.59) That lack of objection hardly provides a demonstration that Carter felt that the accidental attack could only have been "deliberate."

    Documents related to the tragedy can be found at:

    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/uss_liberty/

    The Liberty Incident: Documents


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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I see it as supporting them to avoid God's wrath.
    You see your God as a goon for the Jewish mafia?

    I like to imagine mine more... godly.

    But overall I don't think that's good to drink too much holy water.
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    re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    When the tragedy was first investigated, Carter made no such claims. Moreover, upon receiving the findings, he raised no objections. Instead, he "instructed the chief of his telecommunications organization, Colonel Leslie J. Bolstridge, USAF, to review the report in minute detail with a view to 'correcting our procedures wherever we can profit from this debacle of military communications." (https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_fil...ack_sigint.pdf, p.59) That lack of objection hardly provides a demonstration that Carter felt that the accidental attack could only have been "deliberate."

    Documents related to the tragedy can be found at:

    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/uss_liberty/

    The Liberty Incident: Documents

    Yes don, you continue going back to documents of the time while the rest of us are leaning on resent declassified documents. Btw, to a man, not one of the 34 survivors believe that it was an accident. But the US has never stopped apologising for the State of Israel, nor failed to protect her from accountability at the UN. Sorry, were not buying it. But the attack on our naval vessel 50 years ago is the least of reasons that we should be telling Israel to take a hike on their request.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Can we move back to reality now?
    That IS reality. You just haven't faced it yet.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Israel asking U.S. for 50% increase in next defense assistance package [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Well then I sure as hell hope you haven't ever eaten any shrimp, lobster or mussels before.

    Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
    9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
    10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
    11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
    12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

    Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
    9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
    10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

    That being said... it's high time for a much fatter line drawn between church and state. It's hard to govern with people acting so heavenly minded they are no earthly good.
    Seems to me you don't know the difference between laws of morality and those dealing with health and sanitation.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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