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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Then if it sided with something that would allow more liberals to get into office that would not subvert the democratic process?
    More liberals should be in office. They win more votes. In 2012, Democratic house candidates won a million and a half more votes than Republican ones, and yet somehow Republicans won 17 more seats. This case is about allowing more gerrymandering so that Republicans can win more seats with fewer votes.

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    Ohio is a model of excellence compared to Maryland and the Chicago area.

    I agree that they should be drawn by computer. All of the artificial tenets that need to be met currently( urban v suburban v rural, ethnicity ) are the main reasons districts look like ass.
    I picked Ohio because it's a swing state and I wanted to avoid listening to people whine that it's a Republican or a Democratic problem. Granted, current gerrymandering DOES favor Republicans, but it could just as easily be the other way. We shouldn't be gerrymandering at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    "Arbitrary?" Seriously?? Why should voting districts be based on anything other than the number of citizens in them?? Non-citizens get the protection of our laws, but they have NO voice in making them and their presence should not influence this part of our gov't's structure. Adding non-citizens into the equation means more voting districts with the power to decide how that district votes concentrated into fewer hands in districts with high numbers of non-citizens. Excluding the non-citizens means fewer voting districts, but with the power equally distributed. I'll willingly agree that there is some political motivation behind this, but at the end of the day, it still makes sense to do it.
    I don't believe for a second that you would support this so vehemently if it weren't a partisan attempt to reduce the representation of Latinos, and thus Democratic voters. If it could be somehow used to hurt Muslims it would be a trifecta for you.
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    More liberals should be in office. They win more votes. In 2012, Democratic house candidates won a million and a half more votes than Republican ones, and yet somehow Republicans won 17 more seats. This case is about allowing more gerrymandering so that Republicans can win more seats with fewer votes.
    I appreciate the response but that didn't answer the question.

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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    It’s not a bad idea. Also, we should probably have a mathematical algorithm fed through a computer to select districts. Likely would be less gerrymandering.
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I don't believe for a second that you would support this so vehemently if it weren't a partisan attempt to reduce the representation of Latinos, and thus Democratic voters. If it could be somehow used to hurt Muslims it would be a trifecta for you.
    So we have a current situation that allows a smaller number of voters to decide for the larger number of voters and someone wants to correct that and it's partisan?? What's partisan is defending this kind of thing. How about answering the very simple question that I asked and is the CORE of this issue:

    Why should voting districts be based on anything other than the number of citizens in them??
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw
    Then if it sided with something that would allow more liberals to get into office that would not subvert the democratic process?
    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    More liberals should be in office. They win more votes. In 2012, Democratic house candidates won a million and a half more votes than Republican ones, and yet somehow Republicans won 17 more seats. This case is about allowing more gerrymandering so that Republicans can win more seats with fewer votes.
    So subverting the voting process of our REPUBLIC takes a back seat to getting more liberals elected... And you called me partisan...
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    If you can't win an election on billions from the Koch brothers, on pushing for voter ID laws even though voter fraud is rare and gerrymandering, you have to resort to other tactics. Lord knows being behind ideas and policies that make the majority of the American population want to vote for you is a nonstarter.
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    In what universe would you count people for voting purposes that aren't eligible to vote in the first place?

    I can't believe this even requires debate.

    Liberals have no bounds for their underhandedness.

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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    So subverting the voting process of our REPUBLIC takes a back seat to getting more liberals elected... And you called me partisan...
    Are you even literate? It's already subverted. This thread is about people wanting to subvert it more. If it were less subverted, less gerrymandered, more liberals would be elected. They get more votes. A lot more votes. But they're gerrymandered together so those votes don't win seats.
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Are you even literate? It's already subverted. This thread is about people wanting to subvert it more. If it were less subverted, less gerrymandered, more liberals would be elected. They get more votes. A lot more votes. But they're gerrymandered together so those votes don't win seats.
    Teh subversion in this case was the inclusion of non-citizens in drawing voting districts, this simply tries to reverse that and bring back a measure of integrity in this piece of the political game that drawing voting districts has become.

    Now then -how about we do this ONE MORE TIME??

    Why should voting districts be based on anything other than the number of citizens in them??
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    If you can't win an election on billions from the Koch brothers, on pushing for voter ID laws even though voter fraud is rare and gerrymandering, you have to resort to other tactics. Lord knows being behind ideas and policies that make the majority of the American population want to vote for you is a nonstarter.
    Wow ! It took 46 posts for a partisan libby to bring up the Koch brothers, as if they had anything to do with the topic.

    Congrats !

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