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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    IF this excludes minors, then it needs to be changed to only count CITIZENS.
    I'm HONESTLY ... shocked... more people aren't seeing the slippery-slope on this.

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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Honestly, don't care. Until such time a they are citizens of the US then they should have no say what so ever in our policies. The reason for this is simple. To keep foreign governments from meddling in our affairs as much as possible.
    yes i'm sure every illegal immigrant has castro on speedial

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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

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    yes i'm sure every illegal immigrant has castro on speedial
    Hyperbole noted and rejected.
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This is one of those cases where I expect a straight partisan vote, as it is all about partisan power. This court will side with anything that allows more conservatives to get into offices, even if it further subverts the democratic process.
    Then if it sided with something that would allow more liberals to get into office that would not subvert the democratic process?

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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    I always learn something new on these questions by going back to the Constitution:

    Article 1, Section 2:

    "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature."

    Obviously, the 26th Amendment standardized the age restriction to 18, which was relevant in my home state of PA which has the requirement that representatives be at least 21 years old. However, Pennsylvania also has a residency requirement ("They must be citizens and inhabitants of the state for four years, living in their respective districts for one year.") Seems to me that when voting for Representative in PA, that you should only be able to do so if you too met the residence requirement. Check your own state legislature requirements and see how relevant they are being applied according to Article 1, Section 2.

    As for who gets counted in making up the districts, it appears to be whatever method Congress decides: "The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct." (Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3).

    Then the 14th Amendment came along and hit us with: "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed." Seems pretty definitive to me that it counts everyone except those untaxed Indians.

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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because it's arbitrary and doesn't matter, and this is only a partisan move to weaken liberal voting blocs through gerrymandering. It has nothing to do with accuracy or principle. If we were interested in that, our districts would be drawn by a computer to be as uniform and compact as possible and not look like this.

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    "Arbitrary?" Seriously?? Why should voting districts be based on anything other than the number of citizens in them?? Non-citizens get the protection of our laws, but they have NO voice in making them and their presence should not influence this part of our gov't's structure. Adding non-citizens into the equation means more voting districts with the power to decide how that district votes concentrated into fewer hands in districts with high numbers of non-citizens. Excluding the non-citizens means fewer voting districts, but with the power equally distributed. I'll willingly agree that there is some political motivation behind this, but at the end of the day, it still makes sense to do it.

    I agree that voting districts should be drawn by computer, in fact I believe that I may have been the one (here at DP) who first brought it up.
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    I'm HONESTLY ... shocked... more people aren't seeing the slippery-slope on this.
    Explain this to us please... Citizens are the only people in this country who get to vote. Using non-citizens opens the door to making jerrymandering even more prevalent. As an extreme example, think of a voting district being drawn up that has 100,000 people in it, 99,999 are non-citizens and one is a citizen. The one citizen now determines how that entire district votes. Using non-citizens means that voting districts are no longer equally populated with potential voters (citizens). Why wouldn't you want the voting districts to be equal in their level of influence??
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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because it's arbitrary and doesn't matter, and this is only a partisan move to weaken liberal voting blocs through gerrymandering. It has nothing to do with accuracy or principle. If we were interested in that, our districts would be drawn by a computer to be as uniform and compact as possible and not look like this.

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    Ohio is a model of excellence compared to Maryland and the Chicago area.

    I agree that they should be drawn by computer. All of the artificial tenets that need to be met currently( urban v suburban v rural, ethnicity ) are the main reasons districts look like ass.


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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Not an issue I have ever thought of. But I think our representatives should represent EVERYONE in their district, not just the voters.
    That would be reasonable except that we have an administration that is allowing illegal
    aliens by the million into the country.

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    Re: Supreme Court to hear case that could change how voting districts are drawn

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    And people under 18.

    They should represent everyone because people from all the groups you mention participate in the community. They contribute their labor. They own property. They utilize resources. They pay taxes, even if it is just sales tax.

    My wife isn't a citizen yet. I don't think she should be able to vote until she has that citizenship but I damn sure think our representatives should keep her interests in mind, just as they do my children, who can't vote yet either.
    In that case an adult with 10 kids is counted 10x more than a single person with no kids.

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