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    Re: Man who forced French supermarkets to donate food wants to take law global

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I would rather we spent our time figuring out why people in western society are still going hungry. Forcing supermarkets to look after the poor is a bit cheeky in my opinion and logistically it could be a nightmare.
    Whats your position on food stamps?
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    Re: Man who forced French supermarkets to donate food wants to take law global

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    This is a noble thought. However, there are a couple of reasons why businesses don't normally contribute excess or about-to-expire products.
    The first is the safety and spoilage (already addressed in this thread)
    The second is that if there is too much waste/excess, then it is obvious that too much was ordered or produced. Management mistake. They are constantly trying to optimize inventory levels.
    Third, they do not want any organization or people to become dependent on the charity, they could be disappointed if management guesses correct on inventory level.
    Finally, an extension of my third point, This dependence can result in decreased profits by the seller, because those that would normally purchase the goods could just wait and be the recipient of the charity.

    Many years ago I was just out of HS and worked for Winchell's donuts. Great job! Except, the company's policy is to make donuts fresh daily. This means that at the end of the business day, the donuts left were either thrown away or taken home by Winchell's employees. I personally threw away many dozens of donuts. I also took boxes and boxes home. (very popular with the family)
    They did not give the leftovers away for the reason that I stated, afraid of less profits as a direct result.

    I do like the idea of using, not wasting, consumables as well as other non-compostables. I don't think that a govt should tell a business to do this.
    It approaches a slippery slope I would rather not approach.
    Great points.

    In the US, most out-dated non-perishable foods are sold to wholesalers that sell them off to discounters. Perishable foods are either re-sold in the Deli/"ready-to-eat" sections or pitched. Would be interesting to see who's on the hook for refrigeration when it would normally be tossed.

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    Re: Man who forced French supermarkets to donate food wants to take law global

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Whats your position on food stamps?
    Its a pretty new idea for us here in the UK but its better than what was happening previously which was handing out cash. From what I gather they are very limited though and it can be hard to have a balanced healthy diet whilst on them.

    My problem isnt with feeding the poor but rather the government dragging business owners into a fight which they should be handling on their own. A better liveable wage, more jobs and healthier food opitions are all things wich are going to help the poor in the long run. Feeding them stale bread and old veggies is small-time.
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    Re: Man who forced French supermarkets to donate food wants to take law global

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Sad that the only way this man see a way to get something done is through government force. In my area, there is a private charity that organizes the collection of "expired" food from stores and other organizations and distributes to those in need: How We Work | Philabundance. There is no government mandate and yet good work gets done.
    I guess the problem is that unless someone, or more likely a large group of someones, consistently works to make something like this happen it just doesn't get done.

    Folks can't take nights and weekends off, so to speak, there can't be periods of weeks or months where nobody is working on it, and it needs to happen in small towns where everyone might be suffering as well as in big cities where the "haves" can afford the volunteerism necessary in order for the "have nots" to benefit.

    Quite clearly this isn't happening in all municipalities in America, big and small, every day, year round.

    If it were, there would be no need for a law like this.

    I'm not saying that it's right or wrong to mandate that businesses donate food. Personally I'm on the fence about it. But quite clearly the need is there.
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    Re: Man who forced French supermarkets to donate food wants to take law global

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    This is a noble thought. However, there are a couple of reasons why businesses don't normally contribute excess or about-to-expire products.
    The first is the safety and spoilage (already addressed in this thread)
    The second is that if there is too much waste/excess, then it is obvious that too much was ordered or produced. Management mistake. They are constantly trying to optimize inventory levels.
    Third, they do not want any organization or people to become dependent on the charity, they could be disappointed if management guesses correct on inventory level.
    Finally, an extension of my third point, This dependence can result in decreased profits by the seller, because those that would normally purchase the goods could just wait and be the recipient of the charity.

    Many years ago I was just out of HS and worked for Winchell's donuts. Great job! Except, the company's policy is to make donuts fresh daily. This means that at the end of the business day, the donuts left were either thrown away or taken home by Winchell's employees. I personally threw away many dozens of donuts. I also took boxes and boxes home. (very popular with the family)
    They did not give the leftovers away for the reason that I stated, afraid of less profits as a direct result.

    I do like the idea of using, not wasting, consumables as well as other non-compostables. I don't think that a govt should tell a business to do this.
    It approaches a slippery slope I would rather not approach.
    The issue of decreased profits is a legitimate one, however, if the leftovers hare given to homeless shelters, then the only question is, were the homeless shelters purchasing items from the grocery stores before they were forced to give away excess. The answer is probably no. Most shelters use wholesale foods like Monarch Foods or something similar. These kinds of organizations provide high volumes of low cost food for places like schools, prisons ect. Chances are if the state or local gov is buying food for homeless shelters, it's not coming from local supermarkets. However, it's also fair to say that companies like Monarch would be negatively effected.
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    Re: Man who forced French supermarkets to donate food wants to take law global

    i like the idea of putting food that is still ok to good use.

    i use this resource a lot :

    StillTasty: Your Ultimate Shelf Life Guide - Save Money, Eat Better, Help The Environment

    the site has some pretty good advice about shelf life.

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