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    U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/25/wo...T.nav=top-news

    While that critical assessment of Iraqi security forces has been voiced in Congress and by policy research institutes, Mr. Carter’s remarks on CNN’s “State of the Union” were some of the administration’s strongest language to date about Iraq’s repeated inability to hold and take back territory from the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

    “They were not outnumbered. In fact, they vastly outnumbered the opposing force and yet they failed to fight and withdrew from the site,” he said. “That says to me and, I think, to most of us, that we have an issue with the will of the Iraqis to fight ISIL and defend themselves.”
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    He's right. The Iraqi army fled in the face of inferior numbers. They don't have the will to fight ISIS for whatever reason. It cant be overemphasized that ISIS is not a strong military force. They are brutal and evil, but not numerous or great fighters. They just happen to have the good fortune of having the Iraqi army as their opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    He's right. The Iraqi army fled in the face of inferior numbers. They don't have the will to fight ISIS for whatever reason. It cant be overemphasized that ISIS is not a strong military force. They are brutal and evil, but not numerous or great fighters. They just happen to have the good fortune of having the Iraqi army as their opposition.
    Well, the Pentagon disagrees with you, but perhaps you've got a better handle on the abilities of the Islamic State than the Pentagon does.

    Islamic State controls wide areas of Iraq and neighboring Syria. Months of U.S.-led bombardment have slowed and in some cases reversed the militants’ advance. But Islamic State remains a formidable, well-armed foe with substantial civilian support in Anbar and elsewhere in Iraq and Syria, the Pentagon said in a statement.

    Iraqi forces repel Islamic State attack on base in Anbar province - LA Times
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Until the people in the region are willing to stand up and eliminate this threat, there isn't anything that can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Until the people in the region are willing to stand up and eliminate this threat, there isn't anything that can be done.
    Pity that we broke the country a dozen years ago and they even have to struggle with this at all.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, the Pentagon disagrees with you, but perhaps you've got a better handle on the abilities of the Islamic State than the Pentagon does.

    Islamic State controls wide areas of Iraq and neighboring Syria. Months of U.S.-led bombardment have slowed and in some cases reversed the militants’ advance. But Islamic State remains a formidable, well-armed foe with substantial civilian support in Anbar and elsewhere in Iraq and Syria, the Pentagon said in a statement.

    Iraqi forces repel Islamic State attack on base in Anbar province - LA Times
    They also claim that there are only 30,000-40,000 ISIS fighters spread over a very wide area. How many ISIS fighters did it take to capture Ramadi? A couple hundred? A few dozen SEALS probably could have fought them off.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Which raises the question why the US continues to make the mistake of being involved there at all. It was an mistake to get involved 12 years ago, it was a mistake to stay involved for 10 years, and now it is a mistake to get sucked back in. The Iraqis don't care enough to fight them, so why should the US? Let ISIS take over and then deal with whatever governnent they hobble together.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Pity that we broke the country a dozen years ago and they even have to struggle with this at all.
    No, ISIS is the product of the collapse of Assads authority is Syria. No Syrian civil war, no ISIS.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    This has been known from the very beginning. It was apparent when, facing a few hundred fighters, 30,000 Iraqi soldiers fled Mosul while begging civilians for their clothes along the way. The explanation then was that all of their officers, who had purchased their ranks for the authority and prestige that came with it, had forewarning and got out of dodge before the rest of the Iraqi army was informed so they followed suit. Fact is the military of Iraq is worthless.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen.Seven View Post
    Which raises the question why the US continues to make the mistake of being involved there at all. It was an mistake to get involved 12 years ago, it was a mistake to stay involved for 10 years, and now it is a mistake to get sucked back in. The Iraqis don't care enough to fight them, so why should the US? Let ISIS take over and then deal with whatever governnent they hobble together.
    I know that as much of a cliche that it is to mention the interests of the military industrial complex. It is nevertheless a monstrosity that employes a significant number of Americans, and makes a healthy contribution to our nations GDP. Additionally, many American media outlets are invested in American defence contractors, problematic as that is.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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