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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, the world has pondered, and Bush's war was gratuitous, profited nothing, created a bigger night mare in way of global terrorism, and has left a huge dilemma. We do not need to expend more energy justifying this folly to the world, but we certainly need to make room for others to take the lead in the region having failed so miserably.
    I think that that attitude is not only wrong and wrong headed, but will be responsible for a good part of the problems we will face in the next few years.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I didn't speak to Bush's IQ in that post, and really don't know why you didn't comment on what you quoted but rather made unrelated points. I have a high regard for FDR's domestic policies, but he gets a big "F" concerning his foreign policy/the war.
    That is right. All you did was to agree with a really quite misguided albeit widely believed opinion.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I'm sure living under Saddam Husein's regime was much kinder and gentler than maintaining their new found freedom.
    Why should the US 'maintain' Iraq's freedom? It's their freedom. let them fight for it. If they don't want to then **** em. ISIS's rule will be 100x worse than Saddam. Let ISIS kill them until they get the balls to fight back.

    The Iraqi's outnumbered ISIS 10-1 and they ran? WTF?
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

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    I think that that attitude is not only wrong and wrong headed, but will be responsible for a good part of the problems we will face in the next few years.
    Pointing out USFP failures in the Middle East will be responsible for the problems we face in coming years!!?? Ok, sure.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is right. All you did was to agree with a really quite misguided albeit widely believed opinion.
    There's a reason for that.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Pointing out USFP failures in the Middle East will be responsible for the problems we face in coming years!!?? Ok, sure.
    No. But the wrong analysis you seem to follow will.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    No. But the wrong analysis you seem to follow will.
    That makes no sense whatsoever. My analysis is based upon the intelligence communities analysis.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There's a reason for that.
    There always is. And followers are never short of a quick populism to justify their simplistic view.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That makes no sense whatsoever. My analysis is based upon the intelligence communities analysis.
    That might be, because you have never really thought it through.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    There always is. And followers are never short of a quick populism to justify their simplistic view.
    My original view, which opposed the invasion and occupation of Iraq in real time, throughout the lead up to it, as the Bush administration sold the American people on it, has come to be the broadly viewed position on it. So no, we're not going backwards. Whether or not Americans have learned any lessons from it, remains uncertain.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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