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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Bush said they weren't ready.
    Historical revision off-the-cuff you can't prove.

    When we pulled out prematurely Malaki installed all Shia commanders
    Because he was a lackey of Iran and became the butcher of innocent Sunni women and children.

    the Sunni's split and the whole deal fell apart.
    Many were massacred before they could split.
    "REAL" Sunni soldiers had weapons taken away--as with the Baath soldiers.

    Wouldn't have happened if Obama took Bush's advice.
    What advice would any new POTUSA had taken from Bush, especially Sen. McCain?
    Bush couldn't even negotiate our soldiers to not be under Sharia law.

    And yet all you argue about is that Obama completed Bush's timeline .
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Had Bush taken any advice whatsoever there wouldn't have been regime change in Iraq,
    we wouldn't be talking about the Islamic State.
    Especially had he listened to his own VP's comments from 1994.
    As was pointed out many times last night .
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Had Bush taken any advice whatsoever there wouldn't have been regime change in Iraq, we wouldn't be talking about the Islamic State.
    Wish in one hand and spit in the other. See what you have the most of.
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Historical revision off-the-cuff you can't prove.



    Because he was a lackey of Iran and became the butcher of innocent Sunni women and children.



    Many were massacred before they could split.
    "REAL" Sunni soldiers had weapons taken away--as with the Baath soldiers.



    What advice would any new POTUSA had taken from Bush, especially Sen. McCain?
    Bush couldn't even negotiate our soldiers to not be under Sharia law.

    And yet all you argue about is that Obama completed Bush's timeline .
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Maybe they're sympathisers to the Islamic State cause. Sure would be nice to be occupying ourselves solving problems in places like the Middle East, had we not been such a contributing factor to the troubles the people in Iraq were suffering under to begin with.
    That's certainly plausible.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Wish in one hand and spit in the other. See what you have the most of.
    I wasn't wishing. But I suppose I could say the same to you regarding your wishes about the Islamic State. The Bush doctrine let that Genie out of the bottle and you'll not be getting it back in either.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Do you recall Powell's prophetic Iraq warning to Bush, hmm?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Do you recall Powell's prophetic Iraq warning to Bush, hmm?
    I'm not very interested in talking about history. If Bush hadn't invaded, If Obama had an intelligent plan for pulling troops out. Both of those were mistakes and we wouldn't be having this conversation if either of them had done something different. Guess what. They didn't. How do you like what this administration is doing about ISIS today? Obama says we are winning but have had setbacks. I know people who were taking the same kind of drugs in the 70's that he's on now.
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I'm not very interested in talking about history. If Bush hadn't invaded, If Obama had an intelligent plan for pulling troops out. Both of those were mistakes and we wouldn't be having this conversation if either of them had done something different. Guess what. They didn't. How do you like what this administration is doing about ISIS today? Obama says we are winning but have had setbacks. I know people who were taking the same kind of drugs in the 70's that he's on now.
    I understand not wanting to discuss embarrassing history. Obama's wrong just as Bush was, you cannot win a war of words and ideology against extremists. Extremists can be contained, or let out, Bush let them out, and Obama's policies have strengthened them subsequently.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I understand not wanting to discuss embarrassing history. Obama's wrong just as Bush was, you cannot win a war of words and ideology against extremists. Extremists can be contained, or let out, Bush let them out, and Obama's policies have strengthened them subsequently.
    Bush derangement syndrome. Have a nice life.
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