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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    This has been known from the very beginning. It was apparent when, facing a few hundred fighters, 30,000 Iraqi soldiers fled Mosul while begging civilians for their clothes along the way. The explanation then was that all of their officers, who had purchased their ranks for the authority and prestige that came with it, had forewarning and got out of dodge before the rest of the Iraqi army was informed so they followed suit. Fact is the military of Iraq is worthless.
    The question to answer is how that came to be, after billions were spent on them.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No, ISIS is the product of the collapse of Assads authority is Syria. No Syrian civil war, no ISIS.
    Indeed, another place that long term USFP ambition of regime change has compromised the US from engaging properly. Al Qaeda grew in Afghanistan as a result of the American mission there, followed us into Iraq, where Saddam had allowed them no quarters, grew as a result of that operation, announcing the formation of the Islamic State in Iraq in 2006. And then followed our folly into Libya, helped us dispose of Gaddafi and then are now helping us in our attempts to rid Syria of Assad. There just really is no end in sight to failed US policy in the region.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Indeed, another place that long term USFP ambition of regime change has compromised the US from engaging properly. Al Qaeda grew in Afghanistan as a result of the American mission there, followed us into Iraq, where Saddam had allowed them no quarters, grew as a result of that operation, announcing the formation of the Islamic State in Iraq in 2006. And then followed our folly into Libya, helped us dispose of Gaddafi and then are now helping us in our attempts to rid Syria of Assad. There just really is no end in sight to failed US policy in the region.
    The thing for which there is 'no end in sight' is your desire to blame everything on America. Let me guess: were it not for America, the Middle East would be the Garden of Eden and Islam would be the religion of peace.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The news reports I saw indicated that the Iraqi soldiers outnumbered ISIS by around 10-to-1. Unfortunately, while training can teach one how to use weapons, it doesn't necessarily give one courage.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The thing for which there is 'no end in sight' is your desire to blame everything on America. Let me guess: were it not for America, the Middle East would be the Garden of Eden and Islam would be the religion of peace.
    No, I've never suggested that. Btw, there's no end to you blaming Obama for the woes of the Middle East, what's your point dude. Funny you guys can show up at DP every ****ing day blaming Obama, but when somebody points out that both Obama and Bush policies have failed, its un-American. Such is your hypocritical BULL****.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Apparently Obama's strategy of sending in advisers to "train" Iraqi forces is a failed policy.


    Literally every decision Obama has made in Iraq has been the wrong one. Imagine that, an anti-war liberal college professor doesn't know how to win wars. Is it 2016 yet?

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I've never suggested that. Btw, there's no end to you blaming Obama for the woes of the Middle East, what's your point dude. Funny you guys can show up at DP every ****ing day blaming Obama, but when somebody points out that both Obama and Bush policies have failed, its un-American. Such is your hypocritical BULL****.
    All of Obama's policies have failed. Bush handed Obama a stamped envelope with a won war inside and instead of sealing it Obama dumped out the contents and set it on fire.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The news reports I saw indicated that the Iraqi soldiers outnumbered ISIS by around 10-to-1. Unfortunately, while training can teach one how to use weapons, it doesn't necessarily give one courage.
    Maybe they're sympathisers to the Islamic State cause. Sure would be nice to be occupying ourselves solving problems in places like the Middle East, had we not been such a contributing factor to the troubles the people in Iraq were suffering under to begin with.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I've never suggested that. Btw, there's no end to you blaming Obama for the woes of the Middle East, what's your point dude. Funny you guys can show up at DP every ****ing day blaming Obama, but when somebody points out that both Obama and Bush policies have failed, its un-American. Such is your hypocritical BULL****.
    I don't blame Obama for everything. You just assume I am blaming Obama because I defend Bush against lying liberals. ISIS is not Obamas fault. Nor is it Bushs. ISIS is the result of the failed state in Syria. That happened on Obamas watch, so in that respect it is his problem. He can choose to deal with it or not, but he doesn't get to lie about it and blame Bush.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Pity that we broke the country a dozen years ago and they even have to struggle with this at all.
    Yeah, if only we'd left Sadam Hussein in charge. It would all be peaches and cream now.

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