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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Reagan derangement syndrome. You guys need therapy.
    And Present Moment Awareness would point to Republican Obama Derangement Syndrome.
    Or should I now call it Clinton Derangement Syndrome--or maybe Swift Boat 2.0 twelve years later .
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Were they? Were they 'wrong'? Were they 'lying'?
    Or were things significantly better there and then they got completely ****ed by the typical amateur hour
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    The war in 2003 and the mess over there now is in Bush II's lap. It's all his.

    Funny thing too is as 2016 gets closer I'm betting Bush III(Jeb) will be more and more isolationist about Iraq then even Obama is. LOL.. Bush I and Bush II had wars there. I doubt Jeb wants to be known as the 3rd Bush president(if he wins) who got us into a war there. If he's the GOP nom he'll backpedal like crazy away from wanting boots on the ground in Iraq.
    Let the GOP Hawks run on the lying Bush/Cheney war.
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

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    Coming from a blamebushbrokenrecord like you, I take that as a compliment.
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    The war in 2003 and the mess over there now is in Bush II's lap. It's all his.

    Funny thing too is as 2016 gets closer I'm betting Bush III(Jeb) will be more and more isolationist about Iraq then even Obama is. LOL.. Bush I and Bush II had wars there. I doubt Jeb wants to be known as the 3rd Bush president(if he wins) who got us into a war there. If he's the GOP nom he'll backpedal like crazy away from wanting boots on the ground in Iraq.
    How do you figure Obama is isolationist about Iraq? He continued the war without missing a beat, got out of Iraq only when forced by the Iraqi government, and is now eagerly getting the US involved again. The original war is on Bush, no doubt, but present involvement is utterly and completely BO's war.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen.Seven View Post
    How do you figure Obama is isolationist about Iraq? He continued the war without missing a beat, got out of Iraq only when forced by the Iraqi government, and is now eagerly getting the US involved again. The original war is on Bush, no doubt, but present involvement is utterly and completely BO's war.
    Obama is wavering about getting troops back in there. I agree he could have done more by getting us out of there earlier, and staying out completely. But that's another discussion for another time. My point is NOW he doesn't want boots on the ground again, and neither will Jeb. I don't think Jeb wants to be known as the 3rd Bush President who will have Americans killed in Iraq.
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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    He's bombing which counts too. It absolutely floors me that aerial bombardment is considered a lesser step. I suspect that inhabitants of an area aren't too keen on being bombed by a power from the other side of the world that can attack with seeming impunity, and may have some impetus to seek retribution by taking the conflict to them.

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    We f'd it up since day 1. This is what happens when you run into war with no plan.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    If this cut-and-run surprises Mr. Obama's Secretary of Defense, it shouldn't. We can expect to see more of the same skittishness, shown in various ways, from nations who either are or might have been our allies. When the United States is strong and stands by its commitments to those nations, it makes them more willing to follow our lead. But when it disappears on or even betrays its allies, they realize we are not standing behind them--and react accordingly.

    With this president, every government in the world knows it is dealing with a weak sister, and that there is no U.S. foreign policy worthy of the name. Mr. Obama's shameful appeasement of the Islamists who rule Iran has encouraged them to become more aggressive in Iraq, among other places, and that has put the Sunni population there in a very difficult position. Most of them probably don't much like the evil jihadists in ISIS, but they may well consider them less of a threat than millions of Iraqi Shiites--some of whom are also jihadists--under heavy Iranian influence. Any sense that they are all countrymen and can trust each other seems to be almost completely missing.

    The U.S. cannot live with ISIS, and neither can the rest of the civilized world. The ugly truth is that the people fighting for that group are fanatics who are determined to kill not only unbelievers in that region, but unbelievers like us. They have a vast safe haven, and they have plenty of money and plenty of time to draw their plans. Americans will never be safe from large terrorist attacks--possibly another 9/11, or even worse--while ISIS exists. Defeating it probably would not require killing every last person who fights for it, but it would certainly require killing most of them. It should be obvious we cannot rely on Iraqi forces to do the job, and it should also be obvious that it will not get done with the small and half-hearted air campaign that has been the main feature of the U.S. effort so far.
    No, the world cannot live with ISIS. And the world has to step up, not just the U.S.

    I appreciated Sawdust’s providing that YouTube of Megyn Kelly’s interview with Marc Thiessen with the vid clip of Dubya’s 2007 prediction …surrendering the future to Al Qaeda, mass killings on a horrific scale, establishing a safe haven to replace the one lost in Afghanistan.

    But here is the point: Here we are. All this bickering about where blame lies is counterproductive—what is the world going to DO about ISIS?

    And what can it do until the good, decent people who remain silent about ISIS because of fear or because of the bonds of kinship and tribe choose to stand up? ISIS is committing crimes against humanity itself. Apparently, the Iraqis and others haven’t had quite enough yet, and this is a mystery to me—that thousands and thousands of little girls and women being kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery isn’t enough. That crucifixions and mass beheadings isn't enough.

    UN ISIS suspected of "war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide" - CBS News

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    Re: U.S. Defense Secretary Blames Iraqi Forces for ISIS Victory in Ramadi

    We don't need to do anything about ISIS. In fact, they act as a good counter force to Iran who, until ISIS , was arguably the real wińner in the continuing misadventures of Shrub and BO. The US can play both sides against each other, like China & India did with the US and Sovs

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