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    Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS[W:452]

    “What apparently happened is the Iraqi forces just showed no will to fight,” he said. “They were not outnumbered. In fact, they vastly outnumbered the opposing force. That says to me, and I think to most of us, that we have an issue with the will of the Iraqis to fight ISIL and defend themselves."
    Carter saying Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' sparks more criticism, concern about Obama plan | Fox News

    Here we go again with our desperate attempts to train those who will shoot at our backs once they will be left alone.

    They say you can take a horse to the water, but you cannot make him drink. Bush Jr. invaded the wrong country (as if he could invade the right one). Iraqis understand they will die from ISIS attacks, but many of them got addicted to ISIS propaganda. So both facts are against US there - the fact Iraqis are muslims makes them sympathize isis and they never stopped treating us as invaders so I'm not surprised they don't want to fight.

    It seems Pentagon's idea was to create non-US troops to fight ISIS and to oppose terrorists without getting involved to a direct confrontation.

    So, does it mean we spend money on training future terrorists?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Parker View Post
    Carter saying Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' sparks more criticism, concern about Obama plan | Fox News

    Here we go again with our desperate attempts to train those who will shoot at our backs once they will be left alone.

    They say you can take a horse to the water, but you cannot make him drink. Bush Jr. invaded the wrong country (as if he could invade the right one). Iraqis understand they will die from ISIS attacks, but many of them got addicted to ISIS propaganda. So both facts are against US there - the fact Iraqis are muslims makes them sympathize isis and they never stopped treating us as invaders so I'm not surprised they don't want to fight.

    It seems Pentagon's idea was to create non-US troops to fight ISIS and to oppose terrorists without getting involved to a direct confrontation.

    So, does it mean we spend money on training future terrorists?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Parker View Post
    Carter saying Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' sparks more criticism, concern about Obama plan | Fox News

    Here we go again with our desperate attempts to train those who will shoot at our backs once they will be left alone.

    They say you can take a horse to the water, but you cannot make him drink. Bush Jr. invaded the wrong country (as if he could invade the right one). Iraqis understand they will die from ISIS attacks, but many of them got addicted to ISIS propaganda. So both facts are against US there - the fact Iraqis are muslims makes them sympathize isis and they never stopped treating us as invaders so I'm not surprised they don't want to fight.

    It seems Pentagon's idea was to create non-US troops to fight ISIS and to oppose terrorists without getting involved to a direct confrontation.

    So, does it mean we spend money on training future terrorists?
    So we should have continued spending our blood and ($10B worth monthly of) treasure to keep propping up the regime there? Even if the whole Middle East melts down, does that really affect us? Remember, we're now the world's largest producer of oil and gas.

    What's sad is that there's a whole swath of Americans - conservatives - who seem to think that sending in our troops is the solution to everything, as if that would somehow make differences in religious dogma go away.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Well, I learned from my year in Vietnam that it's really impossible to be an occupying army in any foreign culture. That is, countries don't like to be invaded by any other.

    You can't blame the Iraqis--why in hell do they want to fight for the gang of thieves who invaded them? The "government" is just a puppet of the US.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Let this be a lesson:

    "War & invasion (regardless of intention or perceived necessity) is froth with unintended consequence"
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Well, I learned from my year in Vietnam that it's really impossible to be an occupying army in any foreign culture. That is, countries don't like to be invaded by any other.

    You can't blame the Iraqis--why in hell do they want to fight for the gang of thieves who invaded them? The "government" is just a puppet of the US.
    Why wouldn't they want freedom and a better government? Would you have wanted to live under Saddam?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Parker View Post
    Carter saying Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' sparks more criticism, concern about Obama plan | Fox News

    Here we go again with our desperate attempts to train those who will shoot at our backs once they will be left alone.

    They say you can take a horse to the water, but you cannot make him drink. Bush Jr. invaded the wrong country (as if he could invade the right one). Iraqis understand they will die from ISIS attacks, but many of them got addicted to ISIS propaganda. So both facts are against US there - the fact Iraqis are muslims makes them sympathize isis and they never stopped treating us as invaders so I'm not surprised they don't want to fight.

    It seems Pentagon's idea was to create non-US troops to fight ISIS and to oppose terrorists without getting involved to a direct confrontation.

    So, does it mean we spend money on training future terrorists?
    I'm sorry, when did they have the will to fight ISIS in the first place? Their lack of will to fight is why there's an ISIS in Iraq. Unless we were willing to be permanently stationed there this was going to happen.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 05-24-15 at 08:29 PM.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Why wouldn't they want freedom and a better government? Would you have wanted to live under Saddam?
    A secular leader that had zero tolerance for the religious fighting between Islamic extremists, As opposed to the Islamic State, HELL YES, not you?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    A secular leader that had zero tolerance for the religious fighting between Islamic extremists, As opposed to the Islamic State, HELL YES, not you?
    So all of the other massive crimes against humanity don't bother you?

    List of Saddam's Crimes Is Long - ABC News

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    So all of the other massive crimes against humanity don't bother you?

    List of Saddam's Crimes Is Long - ABC News
    Sure they do. And all the crimes against humanity carried out by the United States government against the indigenous people's of America, the crimes against humanity with the US targeting of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the atrocities committed by our CIA against the Latin American community, bother me too, and?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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