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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    No, after the 1st war the Iraqi military no longer a threat to anyone.
    That is simply not the case.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Who deceived us?

    And we gained the right for citizens of Iraq to vote, maybe they'll eventually get their act together, even though it's not looking good now.
    The same group that deceived us and Mary Tillman about how her son died. The same group that deceived us regarding Jessica Lynch's experiences. The same group that deceives us about Abbottabad, that same group of known liars, that Cult Of Mendacity, the Pentagon.

    As Ike liked to call the group, the Military Industrial Complex and its corporate media. That is who deceived us. Some have been deceived, others have come to realize they've been deceived.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is like a fire. You fight it, where need be, well knowing that you cannot put it out before it has run its course. Sometimes you won't be able to save the house that is closer to the woods.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Using the fire analogy, it was contained, and apparently the US fire department needs new training on extinguishing.
    Using the fire analogy, the fire fighters shouldn't leave (be ordered to withdraw) before the fire is really out, and the local fire fighters can handle any other fires that might crop up, and the local fire fighters leader shouldn't be putting ice cream sales men in charge of the fire fighting.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Was there actually a fire, or was it imagined and/or fictitious?

    Was the fire in Iraq more like a case of the Emperor's New Clothes that only some people could see?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Using the fire analogy, the fire fighters shouldn't leave (be ordered to withdraw) before the fire is really out, and the local fire fighters can handle any other fires that might crop up, and the local fire fighters leader shouldn't be putting ice cream sales men in charge of the fire fighting.
    Would a social projects coordinator with an Ivy League background do?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Was there actually a fire, or was it imagined and/or fictitious?

    Was the fire in Iraq more like a case of the Emperor's New Clothes that only some people could see?
    Oh, there was a fire. The question is, whether it could have been met with cheaper and less intrusive instruments.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Life is never simple. We helped Stalin. Remember?
    We helped Stalin because he was fighting Hitler. We are helping Iraq because they are fighting ISIS.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Oh, there was a fire. The question is, whether it could have been met with cheaper and less intrusive instruments.
    Wouldn't that be a question that you'd have to ask the fire fighters?

    'What's the best way to contain this fire and limit the killed and property damage?'
    'You'd need a fire break here and here, we can't save the middle area, it's already too far gone'.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    That is simply not the case.
    People forget that. After Iraq I the UN had found stockpiles of WMD that Saddam had not show as having been destroyed and had to be assumed to still be in possession. Why he did not want to show his hand did not become clear until the inner circle was interviewed after the invasion. But that is uncomfortable knowledge, if you want to attack the decision to remove the dictator. So it is usually evaded by the anti Bushies.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Wouldn't that be a question that you'd have to ask the fire fighters?

    'What's the best way to contain this fire and limit the killed and property damage?'
    'You'd need a fire break here and here, we can't save the middle area, it's already too far gone'.
    That might be the case with the fire we started the sub thread on.

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