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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You started fighting al Qaeda in A-Stan back in 2001. Today they're bigger, cover a vastly larger area and are menacing the region like never before, lol, you can't "eliminate" the "problem" permanently. The US military may have its uses, this is obviously not one of them.
    It is like a fire. You fight it, where need be, well knowing that you cannot put it out before it has run its course. Sometimes you won't be able to save the house that is closer to the woods.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is like a fire. You fight it, where need be, well knowing that you cannot put it out before it has run its course. Sometimes you won't be able to save the house that is closer to the woods.
    Using the fire analogy, it was contained, and apparently the US fire department needs new training on extinguishing.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    So all of the other massive crimes against humanity don't bother you?

    List of Saddam's Crimes Is Long - ABC News
    Saddam's deeds are ghastly..but how is this any business of the US? Imagine this scenario, what if the UK invaded the US to ban guns because they felt they were helping the citizens stay alive? Such as in a humanitarian effort. We can't invade other countries because we do not believe in their culture. There are MANY countries who do not like our culture...such as the ME. Look how we turn our eyes away from Saudi Arabia. They are just as bad as ISIS with the exception of not invading other countries. If we were invaded by another country on our own soil, I think Americans would fight together and destroy them...military or not. The Iraqi's are a culture of oppression and it is all they know, the normal folks do not have it in them to fight. I agree with the OP...the ME is a waste of time.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Saddam's deeds are ghastly..but how is this any business of the US? Imagine this scenario, what if the UK invaded the US to ban guns because they felt they were helping the citizens stay alive? Such as in a humanitarian effort. We can't invade other countries because we do not believe in their culture. There are MANY countries who do not like our culture...such as the ME. Look how we turn our eyes away from Saudi Arabia. They are just as bad as ISIS with the exception of not invading other countries. If we were invaded by another country on our own soil, I think Americans would fight together and destroy them...military or not. The Iraqi's are a culture of oppression and it is all they know, the normal folks do not have it in them to fight. I agree with the OP...the ME is a waste of time.
    The Baathist regime in Iraq needed to be overthrown, not because it was brutal and oppressive, but because it invaded its neighbours, continued to constitute a threat to the region and violated its cease-fire agreements. That is what set it apart from the Baathist regime in Syria, which is every bit as brutal and oppressive but doesn't follow and adventurous foreign policy.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    Saddam's deeds are ghastly..but how is this any business of the US? Imagine this scenario, what if the UK invaded the US to ban guns because they felt they were helping the citizens stay alive? Such as in a humanitarian effort. We can't invade other countries because we do not believe in their culture. There are MANY countries who do not like our culture...such as the ME. Look how we turn our eyes away from Saudi Arabia. They are just as bad as ISIS with the exception of not invading other countries. If we were invaded by another country on our own soil, I think Americans would fight together and destroy them...military or not. The Iraqi's are a culture of oppression and it is all they know, the normal folks do not have it in them to fight. I agree with the OP...the ME is a waste of time.
    If our president was instead a dictator who was gassing our own citizens, I would be glad if the UK liberated us, wouldn't you? And as far as letting other countries get away with it, I don't think we should let them either, we simply don't have the resources to stop everyone.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Using the fire analogy, it was contained, and apparently the US fire department needs new training on extinguishing.
    The woodland fires usually are only contained and burn out on there own. Or at least that is my impression from watching the efforts on Mallorca. And there they are relatively small fires compared with the US ones.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    It depends on what was more important to them. Having a horrible dictator and ok life or an elected government and a horrible life. To some of us ideology is worth dying for. To others what is most important is housing and feeding their family.

    There was certainly a portion of the population who were terrorized by the regime. But that wasn't the case for most Iraqis.
    Life was OK under Saddam? That would come as news to most Iraqis.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Well, I learned from my year in Vietnam that it's really impossible to be an occupying army in any foreign culture. That is, countries don't like to be invaded by any other.

    You can't blame the Iraqis--why in hell do they want to fight for the gang of thieves who invaded them? The "government" is just a puppet of the US.
    Both PoS and Montecresto liked this post.

    I am quite sure there are others I am not immediately aware of, but for my money, (in no particular order) PoS, Montecresto and Henry David have as much common sense on foreign affairs (especially involving America) as anyone on this board.

    No doubt Neocons think their posts on these matters are dead wrong.

    Neocons? No one is more of a threat to America then they are. Not ISIS or China or anyone...no one.


    As for the topic? Once again, the meddling Neocons have made a bad situation far, FAR worse. They took a united country under a brutal dictator and turned it into a complete mess with a FAR lower standard of living for most Iraqi's AND a military that would have a difficult time fighting an annoyed group of hamsters.



    Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq...one disaster after another thanks in large part to American meddling. Way to go you neocon morons.
    Not only did you utterly fail in your goals...you got thousands of Americans killed and cost her taxpayers over a trillion dollars.
    I'd mention the tens of thousands of innocent civilians in those countries that are dead now thanks to your 'policing the world' nonsense...but you don't much care about them now, do you?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    The Baathist regime in Iraq needed to be overthrown, not because it was brutal and oppressive, but because it invaded its neighbours, continued to constitute a threat to the region and violated its cease-fire agreements. That is what set it apart from the Baathist regime in Syria, which is every bit as brutal and oppressive but doesn't follow and adventurous foreign policy.
    No, after the 1st war the Iraqi military no longer a threat to anyone.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Both PoS and Montecresto liked this post.

    I am quite sure there are others I am not immediately aware of, but for my money, (in no particular order) PoS, Montecresto and Henry David have as much common sense on foreign affairs (especially involving America) as anyone on this board.

    No doubt Neocons think their posts on these matters are dead wrong.

    Neocons? No one is more of a threat to America then they are. Not ISIS or China or anyone...no one.


    As for the topic? Once again, the meddling Neocons have made a bad situation far, FAR worse. They took a united country under a brutal dictator and turned it into a complete mess with a FAR lower standard of living for most Iraqi's AND a military that would have a difficult time fighting an annoyed group of hamsters.



    Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq...one disaster after another thanks in large part to American meddling. Way to go you neocon morons.
    Not only did you utterly fail in your goals...you got thousands of Americans killed and cost her taxpayers over a trillion dollars.
    I'd mention the tens of thousands of innocent civilians in those countries that are dead now thanks to your 'policing the world' nonsense...but you don't much care about them now, do you?
    Oh brother. Isolationism is the habit of waiting for the huge and devastating wars rather than fighting small ones periodically.
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