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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Did the Coalition really kill "hundreds of thousands of people" or are you including those murdered by islamists also?

    Do you have a way of telling the difference between a civilian and a terrorist? If so you should offer this information to Homeland Security and the 95% failures at airport security.
    As Powell correctly pointed out, the moment Hussein was removed from power, the U.S. Owned Iraq and was responsible for the security of the civilians that we were there (allegedly???) to protect. The history is what it is, and there is near global consensus that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a MISTAKE, and a failure. We've been over the 2006 NIE, that concluded that the invasion and occupation of Iraq caused an INCREASE in global terrorism, endlessly, pointed out numerous times that even the majority of the GOP congress accepts the reality of the mistake, only the fragment on the fringes of the extreme right hold onto that failure as some sort of success.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Huh? What you got out of that post was "calling the President all sorts of names"????
    Huh? You can't read.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Please read the posts before you respond.

    Saddam was seeking WMD and had been doing so for years. He was a threat to his neighbors and was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. He was shooting at US planes for several years and had repeatedly broken the terms of initial Gulf War treaty and had easily bribed UN Members.

    You're continually given info on this despot and now, in your final defense, you say he say 'he had neither the inclination nor the ability to produce a mushroom cloud over a US City'. I don't know how you figure he didn't have the inclination had he acquired the wherewithal but, like most of your conjectures, it's safe to assume your guessing again.
    Well I can tell you that here in America, it's nearly universally realized that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a mistake, besides failure. And despite the fact that we have a very vocal fringe right minority who still think otherwise, (half of them are here at DP) Americas moving left, and with any luck, we'll see less foolish military adventurism. But, if that doesn't stop us, there's other factors at play that will.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As Powell correctly pointed out, the moment Hussein was removed from power, the U.S. Owned Iraq and was responsible for the security of the civilians that we were there (allegedly???) to protect.
    The Coalition was protecting the citizens. You can easily confirm this by looking at the civilian deaths in Iraq in 2011 and the same stats Iraq in 2015, once the American military was recalled..

    The history is what it is, and there is near global consensus that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a MISTAKE, and a failure. We've been over the 2006 NIE, that concluded that the invasion and occupation of Iraq caused an INCREASE in global terrorism, endlessly, pointed out numerous times that even the majority of the GOP congress accepts the reality of the mistake, only the fragment on the fringes of the extreme right hold onto that failure as some sort of success.
    Why not go by actual history and the stats? Are you genuinely trying to make the case that history is decided by a democratic consensus?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well I can tell you that here in America, it's nearly universally realized that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a mistake, besides failure. And despite the fact that we have a very vocal fringe right minority who still think otherwise, (half of them are here at DP) Americas moving left, and with any luck, we'll see less foolish military adventurism. But, if that doesn't stop us, there's other factors at play that will.
    Interesting. What are these "other factors"?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Huh? You can't read.
    Obama was called a "Dumbass" and "an idiot". no worse than what you've said about George Bush. The poster then explained why BHO was a Dumbass and an idiot but it seems you found it difficult to defend him.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Coalition was protecting the citizens. You can easily confirm this by looking at the civilian deaths in Iraq in 2011 and the same stats Iraq in 2015, once the American military was recalled..

    Why not go by actual history and the stats? Are you genuinely trying to make the case that history is decided by a democratic consensus?
    Not quite. It's the facts that have formed the consensus opinion now of the failure of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. And thankfully so for one would have to be a complete idiot by now to still think otherwise.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Obama was called a "Dumbass" and "an idiot". no worse than what you've said about George Bush. The poster then explained why BHO was a Dumbass and an idiot but it seems you found it difficult to defend him.
    But it is difficult to defend Obama, certainly not on everything, but his Middle East policies, without doubt.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not quite. It's the facts that have formed the consensus opinion now of the failure of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. And thankfully so for one would have to be a complete idiot by now to still think otherwise.
    History by consensus rather than facts. That's taking the democratic ideal to whole new levels.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Interesting. What are these "other factors"?
    Yeah, I figured after posting that that you'd be oblivious to that as well. U.S. Power is waning, the status quo of a U.S. Dominated uni-polar world is unsustainable, is a threat to global security and will be opposed.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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