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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Holy crap, dude. Are you honestly trying to fault me for only using the single source you were using to try and prove your point?



    OK, let's sum up:

    1) I make a statement regarding the number of deaths attributable to Saddam Hussein
    2) You challenge my claim.
    3) I document the source of the numbers I used in my claim.
    4) You accuse me of picking the high numbers when discussing Hussein and the low numbers when talking about deaths attributed to the US
    5) I ask you were I have ever discussed US death tolls
    6) Instead of proving your point you post an article on Iraqi casualties
    7) I read the article and point out that your source put the Iraqi deaths at 123,000
    8) You accuse me of choosing the low estimate again
    9) I point out to you that I used the high estimate from your source
    10 You cast away your original source in favor of a new source that has a... wait for it... higher estimate.

    So it took you this long to actually and demonstrably do what you falsely accused me of doing at the very beginning.

    Thanks for playing.
    I have provided multiple sources for the Iraqi deaths caused by U.S. Hostilities, the IBC was but one source amongst them. I also showed how the BBC's more recent study, using more complete data then the 08 IBC study used, pointed out the shortcomings of it.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I have provided multiple sources for the Iraqi deaths caused by U.S. Hostilities, the IBC was but one source amongst them. I also showed how the BBC's more recent study, using more complete data then the 08 IBC study used, pointed out the shortcomings of it.
    You provided the single source that I commented on, your extra sources later don't all make the point you want to make, and in the end the only person guilty of hunting for the higher estimate was you.

    Case. Closed.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And Bush handed Obama a stable Iraq under the protection of the US military. Obama removed that protection. That isn't Bush's fault.
    Bush certainly bears zero responsibility post January 20, 2009. His responsibility is for breaking Iraq, and creating the vacuum that drew in al Qaeda from Afghanistan, which formed the Islamic State of Iraq in 2006 and one more time, which caused an increase, not just in Iraq, but GLOBALLY, in terrorism, and made America, less safe, which Obama shares zero responsibility for. Also, the foolishness of the invasion and occupation of Iraq is nearly universally accepted, globally, even by the GOP congress. You're in a fringe group, desperate for relevancy, but you have none in this.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You provided the single source that I commented on, your extra sources later don't all make the point you want to make, and in the end the only person guilty of hunting for the higher estimate was you.

    Case. Closed.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Bush certainly bears zero responsibility post January 20, 2009. His responsibility is for breaking Iraq, and creating the vacuum that drew in al Qaeda from Afghanistan, which formed the Islamic State of Iraq in 2006 and one more time, which caused an increase, not just in Iraq, but GLOBALLY, in terrorism, and made America, less safe, which Obama shares zero responsibility for. Also, the foolishness of the invasion and occupation of Iraq is nearly universally accepted, globally, even by the GOP congress. You're in a fringe group, desperate for relevancy, but you have none in this.
    Again, Bush didn't create a vacuum. The power position was filled by US troops.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Again, Bush didn't create a vacuum. The power position was filled by US troops.
    And the vacuum created by removing Hussein from power sucked in al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists that have in the course of time grown into a formidable force menacing the Middle East. Bush's failure that once again innocent civilians are suffering for.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And the vacuum created by removing Hussein from power sucked in al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists that have in the course of time grown into a formidable force menacing the Middle East. Bush's failure that once again innocent civilians are suffering for.
    A vacuum is an absence. US forces were on the ground when Saddam fell. The power vacuum was created when the US forces left.

    Out of curiosity, do you think the US should have used Saddam's techniques to oppress the population in the name of stability?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There was no fighters, no terrorists in Iraq until Bush stepped foot in there.
    That would have to deliberately overlook the fact that Saddam Hussein himself was a terrorist, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and seeking WMD while doing so.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    A vacuum is an absence. US forces were on the ground when Saddam fell. The power vacuum was created when the US forces left.

    Out of curiosity, do you think the US should have used Saddam's techniques to oppress the population in the name of stability?
    No, it's obvious that circumstances in the Middle East were vastly better when Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were in control and Islamic extremists were contained. A dozen years of failed USFP in the region and we have the mess today. And you continue to ignore the consensus intelligence report of 2006 that concluded that the invasion and occupation of Iraq caused an INCREASE in global terrorism and made America less safe, and the fact that the GOP congress now acknowledges that the war in Iraq was wrong, a mistake!
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And the vacuum created by removing Hussein from power sucked in al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists that have in the course of time grown into a formidable force menacing the Middle East. Bush's failure that once again innocent civilians are suffering for.
    You loyalist never give up. Yep the vacuum was when Obama sucked out all our troops and left Iraq. Now the Dumbass is back in and loosing, what an idiot. Of course he lost Iraq along with all our blood and treasure. And he lost Afghanistan with all it's blood and treasure. The middle east is in flames. Iran is building nuks and traveling all over the middle east. N Korea spits in Obama's eye, as does Iran and Russia, of course there is no Red Line. Talk about leaving another vacuum, Obama takes out Gadhafi and then runs leaving a mess behind. The so called Russia reset button was a disaster. The the list goes on. I give Obama a F- which equals 100% failure.
    Liberals - Punish the Successful, Reward the Unsuccessful
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    Obama's legacy - Total Failure

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