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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Why?

    Will I get a prize for knowing more about him than someone else here?



    What is your point?
    That you should read my Sig line.
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    Ask for help as I think you may need it, nah I am sure you will need it.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    That you should read my Sig line.
    Time to take you to school.
    Ask for help as I think you may need it, nah I am sure you will need it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/12/wa...2shinseki.html

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    Why not just provide an executive summary?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    You remind me of a boy who hates taking a bath.

    Only in your case you hate becoming informed about the truth of Islam.

    Jump in. The water's fine.

    Once you became informed you would see that all Muslims ARE Jihadists.

    If they are not they are Apostates or Kafirs.

    Jihad is REQUIRED OF EVERY Muslim.

    And then you might actually learn what constitutes Jihad.

    And then the goal of Jihad.

    Once you become intelligently informed you will change your view of me.

    Not that it bothers me what you mistakenly believe about me.

    Islam has ordered all Muslims to get rid of all Kafirs.

    And they are doing exactly that under the radar for the most part.

    Staying quiet and compliant only guarantees we will be like the passengers on 9/11 who were told:



    I oppose that.

    How else should I resist being conquered?

    Give me your suggestion?
    To the bolded, you lost me there dude, the rest probably has as much meaning. You came to DP to peddle a singular point Muslim=Enemy, and I'm not interested.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    As I have had a recent spate of attacks on my computer, you will excuse my reluctance to click on anything suggested by someone who may want to silence me.

    Why not just provide an executive summary?

    Otherwise I guess your point will remain in your head and the cyber.
    Eric Shinseki -Army Chief of Staff testified to Congress that not enough troops were being planned for the Iraq war. Several hundred thousand would be required.
    His replacement was announced 14 months ahead of schedule. Unheard of.
    Senator Lindsay Graham concurred in 2007- way to late eh.
    The General was hing out to dry, this stifled input from the Military. Rumsfeld effectively muzzled input to Congress by the Military on Iraq.
    A very clear message was sent.

    Eric Shinseki - SourceWatch
    "Something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers are probably, you know, a figure that would be required," General Shinseki told members of the Senate Armed Services Committee today. "We're talking about post-hostilities control over a piece of geography that's fairly significant, with the kinds of ethnic tensions that could lead to other problems." [4]
    Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz called his estimate "wildly off the mark" and said, "I am reasonably certain that they will greet us as liberators, and that will help us to keep requirements down." By July 2003, "many experts say that the worst of the chaos in Iraq could have been contained if there had been enough troops on the ground from the beginning. There's a growing consensus that something close to what Shinseki suggested might be necessary to turn the situation around." [3
    Jan 2007
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/12/wa...2shinseki.html
    We never had enough troops to begin with,” Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said just before the president’s televised address. “A month or two ago we found out the Army is broken, and they agreed that General Shinseki was right.”
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol, must be hitting a nerve!

    This is my source, your sticking with the low estimate.
    Liars do strike my nerve, yes.

    What is the high estimate of civilian casualties by US coalition forces from your source. Show your work.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I am hardly "wrong" as my contention was with the exaggeration of the number of people that you could reasonably attribute as "murdered" by Saddam. You said it was 1 million. I said it was an exaggeration of 10 fold (which would be a number of closer to 100,000)

    So, we are back to arguing over the degree of exaggeration. Again, the simple fact is that Saddam murdered more like 200,000 of his citizens, not 1 million. So its a 5 fold bust on an overstatement of 800,000 instead of 900,000. This is getting to be silly at this point.

    The 1 million number is an exaggeration. The fact that Saddam was a tyrant we can both agree upon.
    Your 10 fold claim is the only demonstrable exaggeration here, upsideguy. I stated numbers within the estimates of published sources, you pulled an exaggeration out of your ass and continue to try and defend it. You are wrong, on all counts. Deal with it.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    As I have had a recent spate of attacks on my computer, you will excuse my reluctance to click on anything suggested by someone who may want to silence me.

    Why not just provide an executive summary?

    Otherwise I guess your point will remain in your head and the cyber.
    Spend a few dollars on some protection. You do believe in safe internet use?
    Never know what you can catch eh?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Liars do strike my nerve, yes.

    What is the high estimate of civilian casualties by US coalition forces from your source. Show your work.
    Why'd you chop it from my post in your quote. Apparently you're projecting.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why'd you chop it from my post in your quote. Apparently you're projecting.
    Why did I chop the source I already quoted once? Do you need me to quote it again.

    Ok, your turn: Go to your source and tell me what the high estimate is for civilian deaths in the cited study. Is the estimate more or less than the 250,000 number I stated? Obviously if I am picking the "low estimate" of civilian deaths then your high estimate should be higher than 250,000.

    Actually, let me save you the time since you aren't in the habit of reading:

    The Iraq Body Count project (IBC project), incorporating subsequent reports, has reported that by the end of the major combat phase up to April 30, 2003, 7,419 civilians had been killed, primarily by U.S. air-and-ground forces.[18][88]

    It shows a total range of at least 110,591 to 120,816 civilian deaths in the whole conflict as of December 12, 2012.[18][91]


    So, is the IBC estimate of 120,816 more of less than my stated estimate of 250,000?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Why did I chop the source I already quoted once? Do you need me to quote it again.

    Ok, your turn: Go to your source and tell me what the high estimate is for civilian deaths in the cited study. Is the estimate more or less than the 250,000 number I stated? Obviously if I am picking the "low estimate" of civilian deaths then your high estimate should be higher than 250,000.

    Actually, let me save you the time since you aren't in the habit of reading:

    The Iraq Body Count project (IBC project), incorporating subsequent reports, has reported that by the end of the major combat phase up to April 30, 2003, 7,419 civilians had been killed, primarily by U.S. air-and-ground forces.[18][88]

    It shows a total range of at least 110,591 to 120,816 civilian deaths in the whole conflict as of December 12, 2012.[18][91]


    So, is the IBC estimate of 120,816 more of less than my stated estimate of 250,000?
    The IBC is but one source of estimate on the civilians killed in Iraq. There are many sources, and I'll post the range for you again here.

    Scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War found that between 151,000 to over one million. Iraqis died as a result of the conflict.

    Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And as Upsideguy correctly pointed out to you, killing civilians in an attempt to remove Saddam Hussein for killing civilians is stupid!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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