And I like facts.
Fact -Bush screwed the pooch on Iraq.
Fact -Iraq now a client state of Iran.
Fact - The US could have kept troops on the ground for the next 20 years and still have the same results today, only 20 years later.
Fact - Iraq is now breaking apart.
If my post offends you, I deeply Apple-O-Jize.
I'm not a medical professional (nor do I play one online) but in a medical emergency critically injured patients can often not be transported to a hospital for intensive life saving care until they are, first, stabilized on the scene.
Iraq was stable enough for Obama to pull out but not stable enough to avoid the hell that GWB (whose popularity in a CNN poll today shows as higher than Obama's!) predicted would befall Iraq unless a supporting force was left there to prevent.
George W. Bush was right about Iraq pullout - The Washington PostGeorge W. Bush was right about Iraq pullout
By Marc A. Thiessen
September 8, 2014
When former President George W. Bush makes a rare visit to Washington today, he won’t criticize President Obama for the bloodletting Obama unleashed with his withdrawal from Iraq. After leaving office, Bush promised Obama his silence. He is a man of his word.
But if Bush did speak out, here is what he ought to say:
I told you so.
In the summer of 2007, Bush warned of the dire consequence of pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq against the advice of our commanders on the ground. All of Washington was telling Bush that the surge he had launched would fail and that the time had come to withdraw from Iraq and accept defeat.
At a White House news conference on July 12, 2007, Bush declared: “I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we’re ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al-Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean we’d be increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”
He had no idea at the time how prophetic his words would be.
And you will note that the Washington Post has never been a big W supporter.
Last edited by Tazmanian Devil; 06-03-15 at 02:23 PM.
That's just wishful thinking. I wish the entire civilized world turned on ISIS but that is just as unlikely as your wish.IS is the responsibility of Saudi Arabia. they need to assemble a military force / coalition in the region and do their own job for a change.
What do you think might be worse than ISIS? No doubt nuclear weapons in the hands of these religious fanatics could be worse but that appears inevitable anyway.i'm aware of that. i support bringing them all home. if IS is defeated, something even worse will follow, as is usually the case in this region.
Occupation has noot been tried sufficiently to make that judgment. In 2011 Iraq was relatively stable and had the military stayed, as they strongly suggested, then we wouldn't have what we have today.i don't believe that the problem can be solved by external entities, occupation, puppet governments, or anything else that has been tried so far.
"The region" is spreading throughout the world.the region will have to form its own immune system to attack the tumor.
I can understand your skepticism. The lies are coming from every direction.it has not done so yet because those in charge there can just sit there waiting for the US to arrive, and then they can spend the oil money on themselves. i'm tired of us rewarding that behavior. meanwhile, there is a lot to fix right here at home that i'm told we can't afford to do. the same people who argue that are willing to put endless amounts of money into interventionism, though, as long as their taxes don't have to go up to fund it. i don't believe them anymore.
What a coincidence! Here are some of the lies Obama made in 2011. Or maybe he was just stupid. Either way it is a modern tragedy.
9 quotes from Obama’s 2011 “Remarks on the End of the War in Iraq” that show his total lack of foresight « Hot Air