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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That the US is a republic?
    A constitutional one.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    A constitutional one.
    Was this in dispute, at least on paper.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The circumstances were completely different. And as you may know Iraq was once "Sovereign, Stable, and Self-Reliant". That was never the case in Vietnam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKSb2ukQxvY
    incorrect, and incomplete.

    The myth of Iraq's squandered stability - CSMonitor.com

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    That's like if I gave you a car and promised to keep sending you gas money but my funds ran out and your car would no longer run because it lacked fuel.

    It doesn't mean you were unwilling to drive the car.

    It doesn't mean you lacked the ability to drive and operate the car. You had amply demonstrated that.

    It just meant you needed gas which I promised but failed to deliver.

    Vietnamization worked until the Ford administration and Congress voted to stop even the merest trickle of funding to keep the ARVN forces in the fight.

    And without bullets they had to flee or die and many did die.

    Why?

    Libs were finally able to force Gerald Ford to abandon the South Vietnamese and go back on America's promises to support our former ally.

    And Libs have been jerking off to that magic act of pulling defeat from the mouth of victory ever since.
    Vietnamization didn't work. it also didn't work in Iraq, and it won't work in Afghanistan.

    it's past time to get our troops out of there and to let the regional powers handle their own problems.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Your article was written in 2008, and obviously proved wrong later. Obama made the claim, and it was legitimate, in 2011.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Vietnamization didn't work. it also didn't work in Iraq, and it won't work in Afghanistan.

    it's past time to get our troops out of there and to let the regional powers handle their own problems.
    You're using a word, "Vietnamization" that really has no meaning and one you apparently want to apply wherever the American military is involved. Perhaps you should also investigate words such as the "Koreanization", the Japaneseification' or 'Germanification', and so on. You're being sold a bill of goods and should ignore it.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The "word" of no president "proves" anything.
    So Obama was lying at the time? Do you know what the casualty rate was at the time? That Iraq was actually 'stable' and that people had voted in an election? It was the removal of the troops which created what we see today.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your article was written in 2008, and obviously proved wrong later. Obama made the claim, and it was legitimate, in 2011.
    the byline :

    By Dan Murphy, Staff writer JANUARY 10, 2014

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You're using a word, "Vietnamization" that really has no meaning and one you apparently want to apply wherever the American military is involved. Perhaps you should also investigate words such as the "Koreanization", the Japaneseification' or 'Germanification', and so on. You're being sold a bill of goods and should ignore it.
    so, what you're saying is that you support long term occupation of a big part of the Middle East. ok, let's discuss that idea. what does it look like? how many troops? 60 years? which half of the holy war that has lasted more than a thousand years should the US declare to be the winner? what will the occupying force do when the losing side doesn't just say "aw shucks, ok." what does the occupying force do when other Middle Eastern nations decide that the US picked winner might not be the winner, and how will they respond to our long term occupation? finally, what will this cost, and how much are you personally willing to pay in tax increases to support the occupation?

    you guys do not think these things through. the interventionist policies have failed time and again. no more ****ing war.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the byline :
    You're right about the date and my apologies. Nonetheless the well trod points he made has been debated many times and have proven to be lightweight excuses that just don't wash. You can try to make a case on any of the points he has made, if you choose.

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