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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Parker View Post
    Carter saying Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' sparks more criticism, concern about Obama plan | Fox News

    Here we go again with our desperate attempts to train those who will shoot at our backs once they will be left alone.

    They say you can take a horse to the water, but you cannot make him drink. Bush Jr. invaded the wrong country (as if he could invade the right one). Iraqis understand they will die from ISIS attacks, but many of them got addicted to ISIS propaganda. So both facts are against US there - the fact Iraqis are muslims makes them sympathize isis and they never stopped treating us as invaders so I'm not surprised they don't want to fight.

    It seems Pentagon's idea was to create non-US troops to fight ISIS and to oppose terrorists without getting involved to a direct confrontation.

    So, does it mean we spend money on training future terrorists?
    Vietnamization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    didn't work then, doesn't work now.

    bring all of the troops home, and let Saudi Arabia deal with regional problems.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    Vietnamization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    didn't work then, doesn't work now.

    bring all of the troops home, and let Saudi Arabia deal with regional problems.
    The Left will always be fighting the Vietnam War and use it as an example of all wars. There are no variations in their thinking and no further explanation is necessary. Just say 'Vietnam' and that, in their limited vocabulary, will be enough.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Left will always be fighting the Vietnam War and use it as an example of all wars. There are no variations in their thinking and no further explanation is necessary. Just say 'Vietnam' and that, in their limited vocabulary, will be enough.
    this statement in no way refutes my point.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    this statement in no way refutes my point.
    What point was that? Vietnam was and is nothing like the Middle East.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What point was that? Vietnam was and is nothing like the Middle East.
    the point is that Vietnamization doesn't work. read the link to learn what that policy is.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Left will always be fighting the Vietnam War and use it as an example of all wars. There are no variations in their thinking and no further explanation is necessary. Just say 'Vietnam' and that, in their limited vocabulary, will be enough.
    And the Right fits the definition of the insane. They keep trying the same things over and over expecting different results.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the point is that Vietnamization doesn't work. read the link to learn what that policy is.
    The circumstances were completely different. And as you may know Iraq was once "Sovereign, Stable, and Self-Reliant". That was never the case in Vietnam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKSb2ukQxvY

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And the Right fits the definition of the insane. They keep trying the same things over and over expecting different results.
    Really? What are these "things"?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Left will always be fighting the Vietnam War and use it as an example of all wars. There are no variations in their thinking and no further explanation is necessary. Just say 'Vietnam' and that, in their limited vocabulary, will be enough.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the point is that Vietnamization doesn't work. read the link to learn what that policy is.
    That's like if I gave you a car and promised to keep sending you gas money but my funds ran out and your car would no longer run because it lacked fuel.

    It doesn't mean you were unwilling to drive the car.

    It doesn't mean you lacked the ability to drive and operate the car. You had amply demonstrated that.

    It just meant you needed gas which I promised but failed to deliver.

    Vietnamization worked until the Ford administration and Congress voted to stop even the merest trickle of funding to keep the ARVN forces in the fight.

    And without bullets they had to flee or die and many did die.

    Why?

    Libs were finally able to force Gerald Ford to abandon the South Vietnamese and go back on America's promises to support our former ally.

    And Libs have been jerking off to that magic act of pulling defeat from the mouth of victory ever since.

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