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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Even women can vote in Iran, but not in Saudi Arabia. What's the point?.
    Nothing, you're right, voting is meaningless.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    By that logic, would you rather we didn't fight our Civil War?
    Of course I wouldn't have preferred fighting a war that cost the lives of 600,000 Americans for the sake of preserving the union.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Nothing, you're right, voting is meaningless.
    Yeah, pretty much, ask Iraqis. Matter of fact, it doesn't mean a lot in the US.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Of course I wouldn't have preferred fighting a war that cost the lives of 600,000 Americans for the sake of preserving the union.
    So bring back slavery and add to it a north and south U.S. that may not have been strong enough to exist today lol.

    Goodnight.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    So bring back slavery and add to it a north and south U.S. that may not have been strong enough to exist today lol.

    Goodnight.
    No, slavery was on the way out as it needed to be. States rights though should never be on the way out. As to the union, I'm not opposed to it, but I would oppose another civil war to preserve it now. Night night.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Why wouldn't they want freedom and a better government? Would you have wanted to live under Saddam?
    Of course I wouldn't have, but I'm not Iraqi, I'm Irish.

    Wherever I might be living, I would much prefer a place with electricity, water and sewer, some of the things Iraq had under Saddam.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Of course I wouldn't have, but I'm not Iraqi, I'm Irish.

    Wherever I might be living, I would much prefer a place with electricity, water and sewer, some of the things Iraq had under Saddam.
    Did African Americans have it great after the Emancipation Proclamation? Should Lincoln not have done it then?

    We don't know exactly how things will turn out yet in Iraq, even though it doesn't look good now. Who would think that they wouldn't value democracy, certainly not Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry, and most other members of Congress at the time.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Did African Americans have it great after the Emancipation Proclamation? Should Lincoln not have done it then?

    We don't know exactly how things will turn out yet in Iraq, even though it doesn't look good now. Who would think that they wouldn't value democracy, certainly not Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry, and most other members of Congress at the time.
    Have it great???

    You mean having electricity and running water is having it great, in 2003?

    The point was and is that Iraq posed no threat to the US in 2003, so why did we need to invade it? And how fooking stupid is it to destroy the infrastructure in the process?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Have it great???

    You mean having electricity and running water is having it great, in 2003?

    The point was and is that Iraq posed no threat to the US in 2003, so why did we need to invade it? And how fooking stupid is it to destroy the infrastructure in the process?
    Why did you know that we didn't need to invade but most in Congress including Hillary, Biden, and Kerry didn't? The Middle East has been causing problems for years and we had a chance to take out it's worst dictator and turn it into a democracy. It hasn't taken like we would've hoped so far but my point is there are other cases in history where it's taken time, including a really long time for African Americans, to reap the benefits that those who shed their blood fought for. I'm not willing to call Iraq a total loss yet.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    The Iraqi forces as reconstituted may never have had the will to fight anyone, only to make a corrupt career move.

    " ...The dismantling of Saddam’s Ba’ath army by the coalition forces in 2003 saw the end of Iraq’s previously organised and professional army unit. Its passing left not so much a vacuum but a gap for showing off governmental incompetence and cronyism. Iraq is a country split along sectarian lines and when the Americans withdrew, Nouri al-Maliki, the then prime minister of Iraq – and a Shia – ostracised Sunnis from the military and security forces. Their response was to either opt for alternative careers away from the front lines or join fellow Sunni brothers in arms – Islamic State.

    The lack of inclusiveness is only half the story here: experienced, battle-hardened, professional soldiers were replaced by commanders and troops whose interests and motivations were more akin to opportunistic business men. Joining the Iraqi army has become more of a career development-style investment opportunity, a bit like a student doing an MBA who hopes that his tuition fees will result in fame and fortune in some blue-chip commercial nirvana. The prospect of fighting off extremist insurgents is not what they signed up for – and it shows.... "

    https://theconversation.com/corrupti...ic-state-41418
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