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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I have to say I find your continued naievity on this issue incomprehensible in light of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary that has been presented to you. Even in quoted statements made by Bush himself flying in the face of what his own intelligence ...... I'm never going to make you change your mind
    Certainly not with the type of information you produce.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Will B. Black.

    The same thing came up in a conversation I had recently with my brother. My thought was that I didn't believe they dropped their weapons and ran out of cowardice, but that they personally knew the people they were expected to kill - it could have been a next door neighbor. Since I don't know whether or not they have a choice in joining the army in the first place, or if everyone in a certain age bracket is conscripted, I guess it would depend upon how strongly one felt about living under a new regime like ISIS that might have more restrictive rules to follow. Perhaps they decided the choice wasn't worth dying for?
    Hey there Polgara. That very well is a plausible scenario, but why'd they leave their weapons??? But if you're right and the Iraqi army are Islamic State sympathisers.................Houston..............
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Certainly not with the type of information you produce.
    Bush's own words, lol. Good grief. Colin Powell's aide, Lawrence Wilkerson says of Powell’s speech. "George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and others had decided to go to war with Iraq long before Colin Powell gave that presentation.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Yes but'as it stands ' once they did know what happened and who's citizens were really responsible ,why was Iraq still attacked and Saudi Arabia completely ignored ?
    I notice there are quite a few terrorists from the UK murdering innocent people. Is it time we bombed London?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Don't just blame them. The bulk US citizenry clearly can't (or won't) differentiate between Muslim nations preferring to tar them all with the same brush. The vengeful post 9/11 electorate demanded a large pile of dead Muslims in retribution and Bush duly delivered. Nobody stateside really cared that it was the wrong Muslims being killed and Bush knew this too. He got his second term from 'liberating the hell' out of the wrong country for the TV screens at home and so for his administration it really was 'mission accomplished'. The simple truth is that nobody really cared what happened in Iraq after that
    Do you have any backup evidence for these ideas or do they just pop into your head??

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Bush's own words, lol. Good grief.
    Maybe. And as I pointed out, the statement in itself is not incorrect. Putting too much weight on it is. I had read that at the time and looked into the connection. It existed, but was not important and did not play a role in the formulation of the casus belli.
    So, if that kind of junk is the best you can do. ...

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Dick Cheney, March 16, 2003:

    Vice President Cheney: Now, I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."

    Mr. Russert: If your analysis is not correct, and we're not treated as liberators, but as conquerors, and the Iraqis begin to resist, particularly in Baghdad, do you think the American people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle with significant American casualties?

    Vice President Cheney: Well, I don't think it's likely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators.

    Worst foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Maybe. And as I pointed out, the statement in itself is not incorrect. Putting too much weight on it is. I had read that at the time and looked into the connection. It existed, but was not important and did not play a role in the formulation of the casus belli.
    So, if that kind of junk is the best you can do. ...
    Sorry, I'm calling bull****, prove that connection. Furthermore, that's just one small piece of in a huge edifice of George Bush's contempt of our constitution, his contempt of the UN, and frankly, his contempt of the American people. You really are making a fool of yourself hanging onto that colossal failure as you do.

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    In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was wrong for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

    http://www.cato.org/blog/gop-congres...ar-was-mistake
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry, I'm calling bull****, prove that connection. Furthermore, that's just one small piece of in a huge edifice of George Bush's contempt of our constitution, his contempt of the UN, and frankly, his contempt of the American people. You really are making a fool of yourself hanging onto that colossal failure as you do.

    Join your party, swallow the bitter pill, and don't make the same mistake twice.

    In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was wrong for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

    GOP Congressmen: Most Republicans Now Think Iraq War Was a Mistake | Cato @ Liberty
    If you read the article you like to post here, you know that you misrepresent it. You are talking retrospective reevaluation, which in this context is dishonest.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If you read the article you like to post here, you know that you misrepresent it. You are talking retrospective reevaluation, which in this context is dishonest.
    Is the "vast majority of the GOP congress that now thinks the Iraq war was wrong" being dishonest and misrepresenting also??
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