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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    Nobody stateside really cared that it was the wrong Muslims being killed and Bush knew this too.
    By "nobody" you mean "not enough people who give enough money to the politicians in power at the time"
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I'm all for letting them kill each other if that's their solution - like they have been doing for over 1300 years!
    Ok then... What would you do if your government forced you to fight against local militants? The OP is about men who lose the will to fight, real living men.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why should they? Nobody could seriously ask the question.
    Oh but you've been on vacation, many a person have dead seriously question why Iraq was falsely tied to 9/11 when 3/4 ths of the attackers, and wealthy Saudi money was in fact involved in the attacks.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Don't just blame them. The bulk US citizenry clearly can't (or won't) differentiate between Muslim nations preferring to tar them all with the same brush. The vengeful post 9/11 electorate demanded a large pile of dead Muslims in retribution and Bush duly delivered. Nobody stateside really cared that it was the wrong Muslims being killed and Bush knew this too. He got his second term from 'liberating the hell' out of the wrong country for the TV screens at home and so for his administration it really was 'mission accomplished'. The simple truth is that nobody really cared what happened in Iraq after that
    Oh I don't just blame them, you've never noticed that there's a handful of DP posters that label those of us that blame both parties, anti-American?? I have little patience for the 80% of Americans that tagged right along! nor the similar numbers of democratic legislators that tagged along.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Why is that then if the attackers were all Saudi yet Iraq was chosen for retribution ? Using such logic it would be a bit like Britain attacking Italy for the crimes of the IRA because it too was Catholic and had been at war with Britain once before
    But the Iraq thing wasn't primarily about terrorists. It was because Saddam was resisting the Security Council Resolution. Much better reason than the nationality or place of residence of the hit men.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Parker View Post
    Carter saying Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' sparks more criticism, concern about Obama plan | Fox News

    Here we go again with our desperate attempts to train those who will shoot at our backs once they will be left alone.

    They say you can take a horse to the water, but you cannot make him drink. Bush Jr. invaded the wrong country (as if he could invade the right one). Iraqis understand they will die from ISIS attacks, but many of them got addicted to ISIS propaganda. So both facts are against US there - the fact Iraqis are muslims makes them sympathize isis and they never stopped treating us as invaders so I'm not surprised they don't want to fight.

    It seems Pentagon's idea was to create non-US troops to fight ISIS and to oppose terrorists without getting involved to a direct confrontation.

    So, does it mean we spend money on training future terrorists?
    Malaki decimated the Iraqi army by putting his cronies in charge of everything. I'm not there and I can't assess the will to fight but it's pretty evident they have no leadership.

    They have no leadership and we have no strategy. The whole situation is one SNAFU.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh but you've been on vacation, many a person have dead seriously question why Iraq was falsely tied to 9/11 when 3/4 ths of the attackers, and wealthy Saudi money was in fact involved in the attacks.
    Anyone that tied it to 9/11 in any but a cursory way was not paying much attention.
    And sure. Everyone knows that the bin Ladens and their kids' friends are Saudi. So?

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