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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    If that doesn't represent proof then whatever else could ? Why was Iraq even mentioned at this time when as it transpired a load of Saudis were actually responsible ? Where were the calls for reprisals against Saudi Arabia rather than Iraq when that was quite quickly established afterwards ?
    Who knows? But a sentence in a situation of pressure reported by someone at the meeting in a short scribble? I don't know that that is proof. I knew of the statement and would not disregard it, but I would not want to lend it too much weight. We just don't know, what was going on at the time and just before in the background, we weren't at the meetings. As I say, I would not want the bit forgotten if stronger evidence cropped up. But as it stands?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    Who knows? But a sentence in a situation of pressure reported by someone at the meeting in a short scribble? I don't know that that is proof. I knew of the statement and would not disregard it, but I would not want to lend it too much weight. We just don't know, what was going on at the time and just before in the background, we weren't at the meetings. As I say, I would not want the bit forgotten if stronger evidence cropped up. But as it stands?
    Yes but'as it stands ' once they did know what happened and who's citizens were really responsible ,why was Iraq still attacked and Saudi Arabia completely ignored ?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    Yes but'as it stands ' once they did know what happened and who's citizens were really responsible ,why was Iraq still attacked and Saudi Arabia completely ignored ?
    Look at the history running up to Iraq. It had nothing much to do with terrorism.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Look at the history running up to Iraq. It had nothing much to do with terrorism.
    It had nothing much to do with the history running up to Iraq either given the 9/11 retribution messages chalked often on bombs destined for Baghdad. Lets just say Americans were not being 'discouraged' to believe Iraq was somehow culpable

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    Yes but'as it stands ' once they did know what happened and who's citizens were really responsible ,why was Iraq still attacked and Saudi Arabia completely ignored ?
    Unfortunately, BushCo's never going to answer that.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    It had nothing much to do with the history running up to Iraq either given the 9/11 retribution messages chalked often on bombs destined for Baghdad. Lets just say Americans were not being 'discouraged' to believe Iraq was somehow culpable
    Cheney told us that it was "pretty well confirmed" that Atta met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague just prior to 9/11.

    But Cheney forgot that he said that (on tape) and later denied having said it.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Unfortunately, BushCo's never going to answer that.
    Why should they? Nobody could seriously ask the question.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Cheney told us that it was "pretty well confirmed" that Atta met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague just prior to 9/11.

    But Cheney forgot that he said that (on tape) and later denied having said it.
    I may be wrong, is always a good attitude.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why should they? Nobody could seriously ask the question.
    Why is that then if the attackers were all Saudi yet Iraq was chosen for retribution ? Using such logic it would be a bit like Britain attacking Italy for the crimes of the IRA because it too was Catholic and had been at war with Britain once before

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Unfortunately, BushCo's never going to answer that.
    Don't just blame them. The bulk US citizenry clearly can't (or won't) differentiate between Muslim nations preferring to tar them all with the same brush. The vengeful post 9/11 electorate demanded a large pile of dead Muslims in retribution and Bush duly delivered. Nobody stateside really cared that it was the wrong Muslims being killed and Bush knew this too. He got his second term from 'liberating the hell' out of the wrong country for the TV screens at home and so for his administration it really was 'mission accomplished'. The simple truth is that nobody really cared what happened in Iraq after that
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