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    Interesting question, do you think it was? Are you going for the "if you ever thought anything they did has merit then you are a hypocrite" gambit?

    I would also argue that the UN has changed considerably since 1948 and to try and force an equivalency between 1948 UN and the UN of the last several decades is foolish in the extreme.



    This is a bizarre argument on your part. The UN doesn't become credible by creating resolutions, in becomes credible by enforcing them. It has a woeful track record of enforcing resolutions.

    I think the UN human rights and women's rights councils are a good idea if they weren't run by the UN who appoints criminal regimes to head up the committees.



    Yes, along with US funding.



    I would? News to me.
    You are vacant of knowledge concerning the UN if you think that it has an enforcement arm. So I see by way of not answering my questions, I was right, you turn on and off the UN's relevancy.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    I am VERY pro-Soldier and very proud of our Military. It bothers me to see the condition that some of our Solider's are returning..fighting a war that will never be won. Even tho a Soldier makes the sacrifice to protect his or her country does not mean that we as a Nation should be reckless where we send them. The region is not worth the casualties or the resources. They will never separate religion from government and this is a must for peace. I do not think WE failed, I think the Iraqi people and government failed. We gave them a chance and they blew it. There isn't anything left to do, except maybe built a base there for stability, or stake an American flag there...since we have spent so much $$$, we practically own Iraq. j/k
    Do you wonder why we went to Iraq in the first place? People simply point to Bush nowadays, but back then, many Democrats and Republicans alike were behind it. It's not like Bush pulled them into a room and told them there were WMD's and they simply believed him, there must have been strong enough evidence for Congress to believe as well. I guess my point is there were concrete reasons for going at the time and we shouldn't be ashamed of what we've done there, especially the troops....we shouldn't consider it a downright failure. I actually wish we would've kept a huge base there, like we did in Japan, which I think would help towards stability in the ME. I believe you though, the Iraqi's have blown it so far, it's hard to believe how little they've done for their own freedom. And it's sad to see so many troops with mental issues over this, I don't know if too many came back from Desert Storm with the same issues, but then again, Desert Storm was a quick and total victory, much more acceptable,mentally.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Do you wonder why we went to Iraq in the first place? People simply point to Bush nowadays, but back then, many Democrats and Republicans alike were behind it. It's not like Bush pulled them into a room and told them there were WMD's and they simply believed him, there must have been strong enough evidence for Congress to believe as well. I guess my point is there were concrete reasons for going at the time and we shouldn't be ashamed of what we've done there, especially the troops....we shouldn't consider it a downright failure. I actually wish we would've kept a huge base there, like we did in Japan, which I think would help towards stability in the ME. I believe you though, the Iraqi's have blown it so far, it's hard to believe how little they've done for their own freedom. And it's sad to see so many troops with mental issues over this, I don't know if too many came back from Desert Storm with the same issues, but then again, Desert Storm was a quick and total victory, much more acceptable,mentally.
    Greetings, JC.

    Bush left the SOFA open for Obama to either accept the agreement or renegotiate his own terms. Obama chose to do neither. End of story. We now see the Iraqi army today throwing down their weapons and running from ISIS. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard the comment "WTH? Why leave your weapons for the enemy to use against you!" I don't have an answer for that question....

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, JC.

    Bush left the SOFA open for Obama to either accept the agreement or renegotiate his own terms. Obama chose to do neither. End of story. We now see the Iraqi army today throwing down their weapons and running from ISIS. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard the comment "WTH? Why leave your weapons for the enemy to use against you!" I don't have an answer for that question....
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    Yeah, I don't get the mentality over there. They simply don't have the will to fight for the kind of freedom we have and I don't know why.

    Hope your day's going well!

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Evening Pg

    Yeah, I don't get the mentality over there. They simply don't have the will to fight for the kind of freedom we have and I don't know why.

    Hope your day's going well!
    It was sunny and very humid earlier, but there's a thunderstorm going on right now! The curtains above the sink are blowing straight out - I got my last day teaching accomplished today, so I don't have to think about that again till Fall. Work going okay, or are you getting rained out?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It was sunny and very humid earlier, but there's a thunderstorm going on right now! The curtains above the sink are blowing straight out - I got my last day teaching accomplished today, so I don't have to think about that again till Fall. Work going okay, or are you getting rained out?
    Very busy with work, though not rained out yet . We did get a storm today, and it was real hot and humid before that, so the rain and the cool breeze it brought felt good. I'll bet your glad to have a little more free time from teaching for your gardening!

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Very busy with work, though not rained out yet . We did get a storm today, and it was real hot and humid before that, so the rain and the cool breeze it brought felt good. I'll bet your glad to have a little more free time from teaching for your gardening!
    Yep - that, and I hope to get to NC for a few days' "vacation," which is really to get some things done down there. We'll see.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Yep - that, and I hope to get to NC for a few days' "vacation," which is really to get some things done down there. We'll see.
    Hopefully there's no one else on your land this time.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, JC.

    Bush left the SOFA open for Obama to either accept the agreement or renegotiate his own terms. Obama chose to do neither. End of story. We now see the Iraqi army today throwing down their weapons and running from ISIS. I can't tell you the number of times I've heard the comment "WTH? Why leave your weapons for the enemy to use against you!" I don't have an answer for that question....
    Polgara, you should know that the US can NEVER leave Iraq if you want to keep Islamic extremists contained! Can you see yet why Saddam's tight grip that didn't allow fighting amongst the various factions, and gave no quarters to al Qaeda or any other extremists groups was better than the vacuum created by the invasion and occupation of Iraq which the Bush era (2006) NIE concluded had caused a sudden increase to global terrorism, and made America less safe. I think the NIE is "end of story"!!!
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