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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Why wouldn't they want freedom and a better government? Would you have wanted to live under Saddam?
    It depends on what was more important to them. Having a horrible dictator and ok life or an elected government and a horrible life. To some of us ideology is worth dying for. To others what is most important is housing and feeding their family.

    There was certainly a portion of the population who were terrorized by the regime. But that wasn't the case for most Iraqis.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sure they do. And all the crimes against humanity carried out by the United States government against the indigenous people's of America, the crimes against humanity with the US targeting of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the atrocities committed by our CIA against the Latin American community, bother me too, and?
    Are Andrew Jackson or FDR still president? Saddam was, and we took him out to your dismay. You would've rather had a man who gassed tens of thousands of his own people than a democracy.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    It depends on what was more important to them. Having a horrible dictator and ok life or an elected government and a horrible life. To some of us ideology is worth dying for. To others what is most important is housing and feeding their family.

    There was certainly a portion of the population who were terrorized by the regime. But that wasn't the case for most Iraqis.
    It seems odd to me, and it must be because I'm an American and used to freedom and justice, to see citizens contentedly living under a monster who's gassed his own people. It's like there's no sympathy or concern for anyone but oneself over there.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Are Andrew Jackson or FDR still president?
    Saddam was, and we took him out to your dismay.
    You would've rather had a man who gassed tens of thousands of his own people than a democracy.
    Which Democracy was that--the one were Bush/Cheney's stooge MALIKI massacred Sunnis and did not allow them a voice in the Iraqi government?
    Think that the development of ISIL was an overnight thing?

    Why did Maliki refuse a SOFA agreement with Bush/Cheney to protect our soldiers from Sharia law?
    Few Americans would consider Sharia Law for our Soldiers a "Democracy" .
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which Democracy was that--the one were Bush/Cheney's stooge MALIKI massacred Sunnis and did not allow them a voice in the Iraqi government?
    Think that the development of ISIL was an overnight thing?

    Why did Maliki refuse a SOFA agreement with Bush/Cheney to protect our soldiers from Sharia law?
    Few Americans would consider Sharia Law for our Soldiers a "Democracy" .
    Don't they get to vote?

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    I don't blame them, the US condition them to fight and kill their brethren. The common enemy is the US now.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    It seems odd to me, and it must be because I'm an American and used to freedom and justice, to see citizens contentedly living under a monster who's gassed his own people. It's like there's no sympathy or concern for anyone but oneself over there.
    It is definitely a culture thing. I am also an American but i spent the better part of 2 decades living in places like Libya, Cambodia and Zimbabwe.

    It is easy for us, with our decent houses, and cable TV, and two cars per family, consistent electricity and clean water and more food than we know what to do with. We can afford to spend out time and mental resources on political outrage. But in other places what is most important is just "getting by". And when you see other people not getting by it is just a reminder of how good you have it, relatively speaking.

    It is very, VERY difficult for us to put ourselves in their shoes. We are shaped by our cultures and the societies in which we are raised.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Are Andrew Jackson or FDR still president? Saddam was, and we took him out to your dismay. You would've rather had a man who gassed tens of thousands of his own people than a democracy.
    Oh, were such an idea a real possibility for Iraq, I'd rather have it. But sense it's not, I'll take Saddam back. He may have killed tens of thousands, but the Iraq war claimed the lives of a couple hundred thousand.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Don't they get to vote?
    Even women can vote in Iran, but not in Saudi Arabia. What's the point?.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, were such an idea a real possibility for Iraq, I'd rather have it. But sense it's not, I'll take Saddam back. He may have killed tens of thousands, but the Iraq war claimed the lives of a couple hundred thousand.
    By that logic, would you rather we didn't fight our Civil War?

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