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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by MVictorP View Post
    I would like to answer your post but I see no argumentation in there, apart for "Yes it's true" or "No it's false". Is that what you look like when you've been beaten?
    I thought he summed it up with the first two sentences. Did you not read the first two sentences?

    "Hey, I see you continue to run from reality. There is really no point in debating this with you."

    Why would he provide an argument if your viewpoint defers from reality - and therefore an argument about reality would be a waste of time. Do you understand basic logic?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I thought he summed it up with the first two sentences. Did you not read the first two sentences?

    "Hey, I see you continue to run from reality. There is really no point in debating this with you."

    Why would he provide an argument if your viewpoint defers from reality - and therefore an argument about reality would be a waste of time. Do you understand basic logic?
    Why would he post at all, then? If he is bent on ignoring me, why doesn't he does just that? Did he needed my permission?

    If the first lines were enough, what uses the other ones have?

    Or does he wanted a last sting at me but he had nothing on which to work it out?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I am very well aware of the developments and nothing whatsoever existed that warranted the massive response at that time. This whole conflict was engineered to suit US domestic political considerations post 9/11 nothing more


    I've made no assertions and have used statements from individuals intimately involved with this whole affair. I'm still waiting for you to show how they have been misrepresented in any way ?

    Except when you deliberately massage the intelligence in order to pursue a desired political agenda



    Yes a very deliberate one though. Bush got his second term out of it so it worked a treat
    1. If you are aware of the developments, then you do not understand that there need be no large new development other than the negotiations having run their path to justify a massive response. This might easily be, what will happen in the case of Iran.

    2. ibid

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    1. If you are aware of the developments, then you do not understand that there need be no large new development other than the negotiations having run their path to justify a massive response. This might easily be, what will happen in the case of Iran.

    2. ibid
    Uh huh. So it was all just one big coincidence that Don Rumsfeld was talking about attacking Iraq just hours after the 9/11 attacks at 2.40PM that same day in fact ?

    Complete 911 Timeline: Donald Rumsfeld's Actions on 9/11
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by MVictorP View Post
    I would like to answer your post but I see no argumentation in there, apart for "Yes it's true" or "No it's false". Is that what you look like when you've been beaten?
    You have made several absurd arguments that it appears now you see were in fact absurd.

    But back to the question: Would you trust Baruch Goldstein with a nuclear weapon?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Basic healthcare was free for everyone, and generally dirt cheap for anything that requires more than a simple visit to the doctor. Medicine prices were heavily discounted by the government. Things like birth control pills were made available, usually for free, for Iraqi women. Kids were vaccinated door-to-door by the government. Medical care reached 97% of the urban population and 71% of the rural population. Mortality rate was 50/1000 LB, infant mortality was 40/1000 LB. Hospitals were built in every city and the Iraqi healthcare system was known to be of very high quality, Iraq was actually about to gain developed country status, versus being a developing country.[16]

    What are some of Saddam Hussein's positive achievements and progressive contributions to Iraq and the Arab World? - Quora
    Representing Iraq as a wonderful place to live (before United States came to power) is not that right - for every European a life in the Middle Eastern muslim country will be a torture.
    But comparing with other countries in the Region Iraqis had the right to be proud of their homeland.

    Dictatorship is by far the most common kind of polity - and with our inner policies crackdown we're coming closer to it (a joke actually)

    They created Gitmo for Iraqis, and that is another topic to discuss.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You have made several absurd arguments that it appears now you see were in fact absurd.

    But back to the question: Would you trust Baruch Goldstein with a nuclear weapon?
    The Israeli govt is pretty much Baruch Goldstein with a nuclear weapon.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    As usual, you put things in other peoples mouths. But I did not say, what you imply. But thanks to such maneuvering, it becomes quite clear how weak your arguments are.
    Brennan's opinion was cited very much in context.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Healthcare for everyone*




    (* - Except the millions we drove off their land in our ethnic cleansing campaigns, or fed into plastic shredders, or dissolved in acid baths, or raped to death, or shot and buried in shallow graves or gassed!)


    Apparently if the US decided to run murder and cleansing campaign against the 15% of the US population without healthcare, driving the survivors into neighboring countries then Montecresto would call that universal health care!
    That's not just Montecresto, and look at Iraq today, by the standards of Hussein's term. And you didn't go to the link, or you'd have seen that UNESCO awarded Iraq, and they were within reach of developed nation status, until BushCo got ahold of it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Parker View Post
    Representing Iraq as a wonderful place to live (before United States came to power) is not that right - for every European a life in the Middle Eastern muslim country will be a torture.
    But comparing with other countries in the Region Iraqis had the right to be proud of their homeland.

    Dictatorship is by far the most common kind of polity - and with our inner policies crackdown we're coming closer to it (a joke actually)

    They created Gitmo for Iraqis, and that is another topic to discuss.
    Well that was indeed the point all along. Not to compare Iraq under Hussein with Europe or the US, but to compare it with its neighbours. It's ranking terribly low next to its neighbours sense March 2003.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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