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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What had become of them were that what remained after the Iran/Iraq war was corroded unusable and scattered all over the place. There was therefore nothing to show. The US would simply have moved the goalposts anyway whatever he did because they already knew there was nothing to find
    That would not have been such a problem. Had Saddam let the inspectors roam freely and shown, where the remains were etc, the administration could not have "moved the goalpost" nor invaded. Never ever. That is not the way the Us works.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Sorry, you don't get to make that claim without providing your own evidence. Please show me suicide bombers not affiliated to Islam. I'll spot you the Kamikaze from 70 years ago, but how many more can you name?
    "Evidences" are all over the place. During the American Revolution, there were some on your side (as well as on the other side, any other side) that wanted nothing but victory or death. Yeah, they were ready to die. They are now celebrated as heroes by your people, don't they?

    Did that meant that your nation (assuming it is the USA) is now a death cult?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Did African Americans have it great after the Emancipation Proclamation? Should Lincoln not have done it then?

    We don't know exactly how things will turn out yet in Iraq, even though it doesn't look good now. Who would think that they wouldn't value democracy, certainly not Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry, and most other members of Congress at the time.
    Imposing democracy on nations that have never had it is fraught with unintended consequences. The desire for democracy must come from within as must the defense of a nation.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That would not have been such a problem. Had Saddam let the inspectors roam freely and shown, where the remains were etc, the administration could not have "moved the goalpost" nor invaded. Never ever. That is not the way the Us works.
    Really ? I've got two words for you then.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    So you literally are happy for ISIS to take the middle east? Also no where did I say the US should lead any attack against ISIS.
    I was opposed to war with Iraq in 2002 when Bush and Blair were blowing smoke up everybody's asses about it. Without that folly, there'd be no Islamic State running about the region wrecking havoc.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That would not have been such a problem. Had Saddam let the inspectors roam freely and shown, where the remains were etc, the administration could not have "moved the goalpost" nor invaded. Never ever. That is not the way the Us works.
    JFC are you ever naive. Yes Lilly White US would never do such a thing.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I was opposed to war with Iraq in 2002 when Bush and Blair were blowing smoke up everybody's asses about it. Without that folly, there'd be no Islamic State running about the region wrecking havoc.
    Well you can't turn back time, so what do you think should happen with the current situation? Do you think we should leave Iraq to ISIS?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    When it comes to nukes, the only ones that we really have to worry about are Pakistan and Iran. There was an al-Qaeda-led rebellion in Pakistan a few years ago that was stopped (with our support), and we're working with Iran to get them to agree to not work on producing nukes.
    You're expecting Iran to keep it's word? To honor it's commitment to the West's nations in the P5+1 talks?



    My, my, aren't you the unrealistic one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    We did the right thing on Pakistan (whose nukes are the major reason why we keep military presence in Afghanistan - and why I agree that we should do so). But when it comes to Iran, Obama's been doing the right thing - keep the economic pressure on, get them to want to agree with us while at the same time allowing them to save face on the home front; this is known as diplomacy.
    I agree with you that it's important to keep forces in Afghanistan to keep an eye on the Paki nukes, however, I don't agree with you that Obama's been keeping the economic pressure on, in fact, he's been loosening them, as he loses the negotiations by walking backwards step by step. Seems that the Iranians are far too sharp for him and his negotiators, who similarly lost the same type of engagement with North Korea.

    Articles: Meet Wendy Sherman, architect of appeasement disasters in nuclear negotiations with North Korea and Iran

    Originally a social worker, Sherman began her career working to help battered women and the urban poor.[3]
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    Chief US nuclear negotiator with Iran
    On September 21, 2011, she was appointed to the position of Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs by Hillary Rodham Clinton, the United States Secretary of State.[5] In this capacity, Sherman has led the US team during six negotiating rounds between Iran and six world powers about Tehran's nuclear program.
    In October 2013, before negotiations began in Geneva between Iran and the so-called "P5+1," she made a comment about the Iranian negotiating strategy in a Senate committee hearing. She said, "We know that deception is part of the DNA."[6] This caused her some trouble when a number of Iranian officials, including some members of the country's parliament, asked her to apologize.[7]

    North Korea nuclear negotiations

    Wendy Sherman was the Clinton administration's policy coordinator for North Korea.
    Wendy Sherman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    What is it with this administration? First a community organizer president, and now a social worker negotiating nuclear arms agreements?


    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    HOWEVER, when all we do is tell them, "shut it down or we will bomb you," all that does is make them even more determined to build the bomb. I mean, think about it - if someone told America, "Don't build anymore nukes or we will bomb you!", what do you think we'd do? We'd build more bombs, bigger bombs, and do it faster still. This is why the "do what we say or we will bomb you" approach of the GOP is stupid on an epic scale - they seem to think that our big-assed military hammer is the only diplomatic tool they will ever need.
    Not sure that's what the GOP is saying. I think that's just what you hear. I think the GOP is more so saying 'don't lift any economic sanctions' as it's one of the few leverage points we have with Iran.
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    "Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket," Barack Obama January 2008

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The intel was being actively skewed to fit the narrative.
    Interesting that the intel came from a number of nation's intelligence services, all corroborating each other. So all these intelligence services were skewing the intel?

    How large is this conspiracy? Large enough that there'd be no way in hell of keeping a lid on it.
    Nancy Pelosi said: “We have to pass it, to find out what’s in it.” A Doctor called to a radio show & said: "That's the definition of a stool sample"
    "Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket," Barack Obama January 2008

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    But he is gone, im talking about right now.
    We're still in Iraq right now to nation build.
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    Blacks aren't committing more crime. That's the point. They use drugs at similar rates yet they get harsher sentences and more convictions.
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    I disagree. Just because their drug usage may be no different does not mean their propensity to commit crime is the same or equal.

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