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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Increase bombing, I would form together a collation of countries which would include Saudi Arabia/othe arab nations and get boots on the ground asap.
    You right wingers always want your ****ing boots on the ground. Get Cameron to lead your coalition, the US is OUT!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You right wingers always want your ****ing boots on the ground. Get Cameron to lead your coalition, the US is OUT!!
    What makes you think that we want in ? The last war cost Blair his premiership I doubt Cameron will want to emulate that

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    M.A.D. only works when neither side wants to die.
    There is no sides "that wants to die".

    Contrarly to what some might believe, there is but one race, the Human one, and among the human race it is customary to love children and try to have a prosperous life. If you aim to write that some humans are born to kill others without even enjoying life of their own, I think you are subjected to severe, and possibly harmful delusions
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What makes you think that we want in ? The last war cost Blair his premiership I doubt Cameron will want to emulate that
    We'll............Higgins seems to be chomping at the bit. I think your parliament has indicated a lack of will.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

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    There is no sides "that wants to die".

    Contrarly to what some might believe, there is but one race, the Human one, and among the human race it is customary to love children and try to have a prosperous life. If you aim to write that some humans are born to kill others without even enjoying life of their own, I think you are subjected to severe, and possibly harmful delusions
    Let me introduce you to militant Islam.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You right wingers always want your ****ing boots on the ground. Get Cameron to lead your coalition, the US is OUT!!
    So you literally are happy for ISIS to take the middle east? Also no where did I say the US should lead any attack against ISIS.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Extremists are the same no matter their skin shades or religion. Give a single good movement, and I'll identify you its extremist wing.

    You have extremists of your own, don't doubt it for a minute. If I was to have the mindset for it, it would be easy for me to lump you among them as soon as it serves my polemic needs
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'll agree that with 20/20 hindsight, going into Iraq was a bad idea, and that the decisions leading up to it was based on bad intel and / or analysis from a wide variety of sources that seemed to corroborate each other. 20/20 hindsight is kinda like that.

    Going forward, I'm not sure if it's the best idea to disengage, walk away, and watch sectarian violence armed with nuclear weapons and their proliferation take the Middle East, and yes, that means extremist Islamic groups, the suicide bombers, gain these powerful weapons to sneak into someplace and detonate. It sounds like one of the many possible scenarios leading to the apocalypse, if not in biblical terms, certainly in terms destruction, contamination and human strife.

    I'm convinced that even if Saddam or his sons had remained in power, this pot would have boiled over at some point. I'd be happy with just keeping the arms fire nuclear free.
    The intel was being actively skewed to fit the narrative.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by MVictorP View Post
    Extremists are the same no matter their skin shades or religion. Give a single good movement, and I'll identify you its extremist wing.

    You have extremists of your own, don't doubt it for a minute. If I was to have the mindset for it, it would be easy for me to lump you among them as soon as it serves my polemic needs
    Sorry, you don't get to make that claim without providing your own evidence. Please show me suicide bombers not affiliated to Islam. I'll spot you the Kamikaze from 70 years ago, but how many more can you name?
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'll agree that with 20/20 hindsight, going into Iraq was a bad idea, and that the decisions leading up to it was based on bad intel and / or analysis from a wide variety of sources that seemed to corroborate each other. 20/20 hindsight is kinda like that.

    Going forward, I'm not sure if it's the best idea to disengage, walk away, and watch sectarian violence armed with nuclear weapons and their proliferation take the Middle East, and yes, that means extremist Islamic groups, the suicide bombers, gain these powerful weapons to sneak into someplace and detonate. It sounds like one of the many possible scenarios leading to the apocalypse, if not in biblical terms, certainly in terms destruction, contamination and human strife.

    I'm convinced that even if Saddam or his sons had remained in power, this pot would have boiled over at some point. I'd be happy with just keeping the arms fire nuclear free.
    When it comes to nukes, the only ones that we really have to worry about are Pakistan and Iran. There was an al-Qaeda-led rebellion in Pakistan a few years ago that was stopped (with our support), and we're working with Iran to get them to agree to not work on producing nukes.

    We did the right thing on Pakistan (whose nukes are the major reason why we keep military presence in Afghanistan - and why I agree that we should do so). But when it comes to Iran, Obama's been doing the right thing - keep the economic pressure on, get them to want to agree with us while at the same time allowing them to save face on the home front; this is known as diplomacy.

    HOWEVER, when all we do is tell them, "shut it down or we will bomb you," all that does is make them even more determined to build the bomb. I mean, think about it - if someone told America, "Don't build anymore nukes or we will bomb you!", what do you think we'd do? We'd build more bombs, bigger bombs, and do it faster still. This is why the "do what we say or we will bomb you" approach of the GOP is stupid on an epic scale - they seem to think that our big-assed military hammer is the only diplomatic tool they will ever need.
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