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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Parker View Post
    Carter saying Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' sparks more criticism, concern about Obama plan | Fox News

    Here we go again with our desperate attempts to train those who will shoot at our backs once they will be left alone.

    They say you can take a horse to the water, but you cannot make him drink. Bush Jr. invaded the wrong country (as if he could invade the right one). Iraqis understand they will die from ISIS attacks, but many of them got addicted to ISIS propaganda. So both facts are against US there - the fact Iraqis are muslims makes them sympathize isis and they never stopped treating us as invaders so I'm not surprised they don't want to fight.

    It seems Pentagon's idea was to create non-US troops to fight ISIS and to oppose terrorists without getting involved to a direct confrontation.

    So, does it mean we spend money on training future terrorists?
    The war was never thought out well, this end was rather obvious. But the purpose wasn't so much "Freedom and Democracy" as much as it was Forever War.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Would posters prefer we left Iraq to fight alone even if this meant that ISIS took full control of the region?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Well, I learned from my year in Vietnam that it's really impossible to be an occupying army in any foreign culture. That is, countries don't like to be invaded by any other.
    Yup, it's rather obvious too, but that didn't stop us from doing it. It has to be pretty purposeful as there was never a solution to the war from the start and we've fought wars to stalemates before under similar circumstances.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Would posters prefer we left Iraq to fight alone even if this meant that ISIS took full control of the region?
    Do you have a plan to defeat ISIS in a timely manner and dismantle its infrastructure?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Would posters prefer we left Iraq to fight alone even if this meant that ISIS took full control of the region?
    Saddam Hussein did a great job fighting terrorists and he was easier to contain.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Without commenting on whether or not the US should or shouldn't commit ground troops to what President Obama promised would be the destruction of ISIS, I would say the comments of the Secretary of Defense are curious. Seems odd to me that the representative of the man in the Oval Office who is well known to be averse to combat would challenge the will and determination of Iraqi forces to do what his country isn't doing. What's the motive here? Is it to embarrass Iraqi troops into putting up a better fight, or is it a backhanded way to embarrass Obama into putting troops on the ground.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, there was a fall of in terrorist activities in both countries. Seems to coincide with Obama injecting himself into the Syrian situation where ISIS came far more to rise.
    I didn't heard of any "terrorist activity" in Iraq prior to the invasion. As for Syria, I don't know if you remember the days, but it was when people wondered if they should backup Assad's regime "à la Hussein" or "the rebels" that turn out to be the IS.

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Saddam Hussein did a great job fighting terrorists and he was easier to contain.
    But he is gone, im talking about right now.
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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    You forget. Bush handed over a relatively stable, relatively peaceful and relatively secure Iraq over to Obama.
    I'm not particularly interested in US party political point scoring. This whole Iraq business was launched for domestic US political motives it had little to do with the welfare of Iraqis nor with any war on terror. Bush was warned before he went in back in 2003 of the power vacuum that would exist after Hussein and how that would most likely be filled by Islamic extremism. He was however more concerned with avenging 9/11 for an angry US electorate and thereby securing his second term. It didn't matter that the wrong guys were being killed as long as the US could feel good about itself again and the Muslim bodycount stacked up. The aftermath has been of little consequence for the US

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    Re: Iraqi forces losing 'will to fight' against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Do you have a plan to defeat ISIS in a timely manner and dismantle its infrastructure?
    Increase bombing, I would form together a collation of countries which would include Saudi Arabia/othe arab nations and get boots on the ground asap.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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