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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Bull. How could they be inhuman if they are inline with the betterment of the species?

    Humans are on this earth to reproduce. All the other stuff is man made crap.
    Betterment of society and you state my belief is BS.
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    What would that family been able to accomplish if they didn't have to spend the time and resources on that baby/child?
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    Did they have any other kids? I really feel sorry for the other kids in a family where there is a baby like this. They don't get what they need to thrive.
    Everything to you is about resources. Sad, really sad.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Did they have any other kids? I really feel sorry for the other kids in a family where there is a baby like this. They don't get what they need to thrive.
    He has a adult son from a previous marriage. This pregnancy came later in life and was a mistake. He was in his early 50's when she was born. They love her dearly and she is the sunshine of their life...but it is so much harder in middle age with a child with special needs. Keep in mind, with all the surgeries she has had on her feet...she doesn't get around very well...and uses a diaper at 13. She is starting to gain weight from inactivity and it is getting hard for her Mom to carry her and help her around. The sad thing....they are a middle class couple and there is nothing really available to help them with her.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Betterment of society and you state my belief is BS.


    Everything to you is about resources. Sad, really sad.
    Not sad at all. Realistic

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Nursmate View Post
    He has a adult son from a previous marriage. This pregnancy came later in life and was a mistake. He was in his early 50's when she was born. They love her dearly and she is the sunshine of their life...but it is so much harder in middle age with a child with special needs. Keep in mind, with all the surgeries she has had on her feet...she doesn't get around very well...and uses a diaper at 13. She is starting to gain weight from inactivity and it is getting hard for her Mom to carry her and help her around. The sad thing....they are a middle class couple and there is nothing really available to help them with her.
    Yes that is very sad and it must be very hard.

    What are they going to do long term when they are not there any more?

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Dittohead not!

    It sounds like doctors are going to be on the "hot-seat," because they'll be required to produce records of blood-work and ultrasound testing, and when said testing was done, to determine if the fetus had downs. Would they be required to give such tests to every pregnant mother they have as a patient, or would it be on a case to case basis depending on family history? This would almost guarantee that obstetrics is going to get a lot more expensive than it already is, IMO. Since the sponsor of the bill doesn't feel that getting an abortion is warranted just because a baby may have downs, I don't see this bill being voted into law, especially since a woman may currently have an abortion for any reason she wishes. .
    Exactly, and, after all of the expensive tests are performed and the woman wants to abort, then what? If the doctor asks whether she is choosing to abort because the fetus is downs, all she has to say is, "no."
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Many downs syndrome people and their parents would challenge you on whether or not they are productive members of society, and rightly so. Irrespective of the issue identified in the OP, your comment is truly offensive.
    I agree with you.

    Incidentally, my bestie had a boy with Down Syndrome. He died at age 5 because of a heart defect, and she had a breakdown. She says she would never abort a pregnancy, but she believes women should have the choice, regardless of their reason for doing so.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    I agree with you.

    Incidentally, my bestie had a boy with Down Syndrome. He died at age 5 because of a heart defect, and she had a breakdown. She says she would never abort a pregnancy, but she believes women should have the choice, regardless of their reason for doing so.
    I've seen lots of down syndrome children on television and certainly they're quit prominent in Special Olympics and other such events. When I was working, there was a young man, in his early 20s, who was a down syndrome child and his parents had both just died and he remained living in their home, on his own, with community supports but he had a job and was well presented and behaved and quite pleasant every time I met him near my office.

    I can imagine the prospect of any child is daunting, let alone a special needs child, but to give a blanket indictment to all such children is just so wrong.
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    Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why would anybody be against aborting a baby with a life altering condition which would guarantee that person would never be a productive member of society?
    While I maintain that choice is paramount, I think a lot of people have been provided poor information and a lack of resource connections.

    There needs to be a great deal of humility involved in trying to either determine whether another person's life is worth living as well as what their prospects hold. Persons with Down Syndrome and many other disabilities have had the unfortunate experience of professionals (be they from the medical profession or the education profession) completely downplay their capabilities, and many have often proved them wrong. Is it like that for most? Not necessarily. Professionals can be right a decent chunk of the time. But does that still make them right about whether or not someone has the right to life and whether it was justifiable to write someone off in the womb, after birth, or in their first years? I have incredible doubts on the professional's prescience on both accounts. They aren't given that kind of authority on anyone else, but we kind of presume it's a-okay for people with disabilities.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Not sad at all. Realistic
    You place a resource driven, what they can produce value to each person.
    Do you have any friends with sick children, or perhaps people with a physical or mental disability, and your philosophy would subject them to a cull.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Yes that is very sad and it must be very hard.

    What are they going to do long term when they are not there any more?
    That is where a responsible society that cares for the weak steps up to the plate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.

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