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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Former Dean of the Yale Law School (and now a 2nd Circuit CoA judge) Guido Calabresi wrote a book called something Like "Tragic Choices" which involved the allocation of what he called tragically scarce resources in a competitive society. a tragic choice might involve two patients needing a kidney-say the father of four children who is 40 years old and supports those 4 children and his wife and say a 12 year old child who has yet to have much of a life. who gets the Kidney>

    so when we turn to other health care issues where the public is forced to fund the health care of so many members of the public a question must be raised about the tragic choices of funding one profoundly disabled child that health care professionals knew was going to be born with severe health challenges vs saving or dramatically improving the lives of other children who have serious but far more treatable challenges.
    and they say we don't have rationing.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

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    and they say we don't have rationing.
    of course we have rationing. triage is a rationing for example in a disaster.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    He's not a religious nut.

    He clearly understands the concept of freedom a little more than you do.
    Lol, if you say so. Just let me ask you this. Since when does determining the worth of a human life hinge on their ability to contribute to society? Since when do the tenets of liberty completely lack compassion and empathy?

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    ... Since when do the tenets of liberty completely lack compassion and empathy?
    Liberty?

    Access to contraception and legal abortions are a part of our liberty.


    ...Good policy is policy that allows for all people – regardless of their religious identity – to follow their own faith and conscience when directing the course of their life. When it comes to matters of reproductive health, RCRC believes that real religious liberty protects the right of a woman to make thoughtful decisions in private consultation with her doctor, her family, and her own faith. Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Lol, if you say so. Just let me ask you this. Since when does determining the worth of a human life hinge on their ability to contribute to society? Since when do the tenets of liberty completely lack compassion and empathy?
    A fetus is not human life. Life is the existence of an individual human being. A fetus is not an individual human being.

    Therefore, determining the fate of a fetus is not comparable to comparing the fate of a living, breathing, out of the womb human individual.

    The tenets of liberty do not lack compassion, they are neutral to it.

    Just as a man can use his free speech to advocate for the love of humanity, so can a man use his free speech to condemn humanity out of spite.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    A fetus is not human life. Life is the existence of an individual human being. A fetus is not an individual human being.

    Therefore, determining the fate of a fetus is not comparable to comparing the fate of a living, breathing, out of the womb human individual.

    The tenets of liberty do not lack compassion, they are neutral to it.

    Just as a man can use his free speech to advocate for the love of humanity, so can a man use his free speech to condemn humanity out of spite.
    Do you believe that the Unborn victims of Violence Act, which states that the murder of a fetus is the same as a murder of a "a living, breathing, out of the womb human individual", should be repealed? Same question regarding the the dozens of other state legislation that states the same.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Do you believe that the Unborn victims of Violence Act, which states that the murder of a fetus is the same as a murder of a "a living, breathing, out of the womb human individual", should be repealed? Same question regarding the the dozens of other state legislation that states the same.
    Yes..
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Do you believe that the Unborn victims of Violence Act, which states that the murder of a fetus is the same as a murder of a "a living, breathing, out of the womb human individual", should be repealed? Same question regarding the the dozens of other state legislation that states the same.
    A fetus has no rights.

    Feticide laws protect the state's interest.
    States can and often do protect the interest of non ( natural ) persons.

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