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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

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    So, if you had an AIDS medicine that cured 23% of the people infected would you let people die as you hold out for a 50/50 cure?
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Stillbirts occur when the fetus dies in utero after 20 weeks gestation.
    At least 20 percent occur because of chromosomal disorders.

    From March of dimes site:

    There are a number of known causes of stillbirth. Sometimes more than one of these causes may contribute to the baby’s death. Common causes include:

    Birth defects: About 15 to 20 percent of stillborn babies have one or more birth defects (1). At least, 20 percent of these have chromosomal disorders, such as Down syndrome (1). Others have other birth defects resulting from genetic, environmental or unknown causes.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    No, the anti-abortion position is entirely consistent with reason and science.

    The pro-abortion position is informed by ludicrous and delusional hatred, and often bizarre and extreme religious notions, as evidenced by the pro-aborts on this site who express the notion that killing is essential religious freedom, that killing is okay because reincarnation fixes everything, and that rape babies are spawn sent by the devil.

    Again, **** society; individual rights are what matters.

    But yes, individual human rights are well served by imprisoning those who kill innocent human beings in aggression so they can't hurt anyone else.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    no rebuttal
    your solution would cause all sorts of civil unrest in the USA. banning abortions is not going to happen so deal with it. and putting women in prison for having an abortion-good luck with that

    why is the anti abortion jihad mainly male?
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your solution would cause all sorts of civil unrest in the USA.
    Eh. Only amongst amoral nitwits that are best ignored.

    banning abortions is not going to happen so deal with it.
    Uh-huh. Other historical purveyors of bigotry said the same.

    and putting women in prison for having an abortion-good luck with that
    Law being enforced in this country in a rational and consistent manner would be fortunate, yes.

    why is the anti abortion jihad mainly male?
    Statistically speaking, gender is no indicator of abortion position.

    The better question is why are you engaging in non-sequitur garbage? Rhetorical question, of course - it's because you have no argument.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Evidently, only if it conforms to your very narrow viewpoint. I am still kinda shocked that you, of all people, hold such a subjective view of "freedom". Oh well, I guess you learn something new every day.
    He's not a religious nut.

    He clearly understands the concept of freedom a little more than you do.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

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    I find it interesting that you find the pro choice side to be rooted in extremist religious views.

    It's definitely something I haven't seen before...
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    If the parent(s) want to try to intervene and the hospital is equipped to try to intervene that is up to the parent(s) and staff to try to intervene than that should be their choice. If the parents which to give comfort care than at that early stage with such low odds of survival they should be able to make that choice.

    Something else to consider is the fact that neo natal units and staff are limited.

    Using the equipment and staff to try to save a 22 week gestation preemie may mean there is no neo natal available for 25 week gestational preemie born that would have an 85 percent chance to live if a unit were available.

    So the staff should just say " sorry we can't intervene and try to save 25 week gestational preemie because a 22 week gestational preemie is using it and just might have 10 percent chance of living long enough to make it out of the neo natal intensive care unit."

    Hard choices.
    I am glad I am not faced with a choice like that.
    Hard choices indeed.
    and then there's the question of how many more babies would survive if the money spent on attempting to keep a preemie with a 10% chance of survival alive were to instead go to ordinary pre and post natal care for normal pregnancies.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hard choices indeed.
    and then there's the question of how many more babies would survive if the money spent on attempting to keep a preemie with a 10% chance of survival alive were to instead go to ordinary pre and post natal care for normal pregnancies.
    Former Dean of the Yale Law School (and now a 2nd Circuit CoA judge) Guido Calabresi wrote a book called something Like "Tragic Choices" which involved the allocation of what he called tragically scarce resources in a competitive society. a tragic choice might involve two patients needing a kidney-say the father of four children who is 40 years old and supports those 4 children and his wife and say a 12 year old child who has yet to have much of a life. who gets the Kidney>

    so when we turn to other health care issues where the public is forced to fund the health care of so many members of the public a question must be raised about the tragic choices of funding one profoundly disabled child that health care professionals knew was going to be born with severe health challenges vs saving or dramatically improving the lives of other children who have serious but far more treatable challenges.
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