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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    A misguided step in the right direction towards a total ban.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    If you disagree with government entitlements, fine. I'm probably with you on that one. But they are human beings, and government largess aside, they have as much right to live as you or I do.
    A person only has the rights for which he can supply violence to defend. A fetus cannot supply any violence at all, and so a fetus has no rights.

    But Roe v. Wade was about a man's right to perform medicine, not a woman's right to abort. You have to read the fine print.

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    Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I understand you have a personal stake in this conversation because of your sibling.

    My question was why would anybody knowingly bring a disabled child into the world. It is hard enough to raise healthy children let alone one that requires 24 hour special care.

    What happens if the family dies and that child is left alone?
    Coming from someone that grew up with not only my family having care of persons with disabilities, but a ton of families, this strikes me as being victim to not grasping that it's still a family life. I have a disability, so does my brother, so did the kids I grew up with, and so do the kids I help.

    There are challenges but they are unique to the kid's needs. I'm doing very worthwhile work, stuff that few have ever considered doing, I'm happy. I think my life is worth living. My brother feels the same way about his. The kids I know feel the same way.

    It's life. It always felt awkward trying to explain to someone else that my life or my brother's life wasn't so tragic so as to merit not ever have been experienced. That's mostly the non-disabled's twisted view of things.

    If the person needs additional care, you plan for different situations. If my parents died young, we were to go with our Aunt. When I o became old enough, my sister and I entered the phase we are in now. When my folks pass on, we get him. We are certainly nervous about making the right calls for him, but we think of him as a centerpiece in our lives. He doesn't add a burden to us. He's our brother. He's a good guy, he does his job well, he makes everyone laugh. He just wants to live how he wants to. It's not a crime....some abhorrent thought.

    A kid with Down Syndrome in our community is hopefully going to be a local business owner. Another is very active in the community.

    It's life.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Evidently, only if it conforms to your very narrow viewpoint. I am still kinda shocked that you, of all people, hold such a subjective view of "freedom". Oh well, I guess you learn something new every day.
    Oh I totally support freedom and I oppose laws that don't help society

    remind me how putting the mother of an aborted fetus in prison or forcing women into back alley abortions is good for society
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Coming from someone that grew up with not only my family having care of persons with disabilities, but a ton of families, this strikes me as being victim to not grasping that it's still a family life. I have a disability, so does my brother, so did the kids I grew up with, and so do the kids I help.

    There are challenges but they are unique to the kid's needs. I'm doing very worthwhile work, stuff that few have ever considered doing, I'm happy. I think my life is worth living. My brother feels the same way about his. The kids I know feel the same way.

    It's life. It always felt awkward trying to explain to someone else that my life or my brother's life wasn't so tragic so as to merit not ever have been experienced. That's mostly the non-disabled's twisted view of things.

    If the person needs additional care, you plan for different situations. If my parents died young, we were to go with our Aunt. When I o became old enough, my sister and I entered the phase we are in now. When my folks pass on, we get him. We are certainly nervous about making the right calls for him, but we think of him as a centerpiece in our lives. He doesn't add a burden to us. He's our brother. He's a good guy, he does his job well, he makes everyone laugh.
    Sounds like your brother is in good hands.
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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anti abortion positions are usually based on emotion, often involve men who are upset that they cannot control women or are formed by archaic and outdated religious views which are harmful to society. and society is in no way better off arresting a woman for aborting the fetus within her and punishing the doctor
    No, the anti-abortion position is entirely consistent with reason and science.

    The pro-abortion position is informed by ludicrous and delusional hatred, and often bizarre and extreme religious notions, as evidenced by the pro-aborts on this site who express the notion that killing is essential religious freedom, that killing is okay because reincarnation fixes everything, and that rape babies are spawn sent by the devil.

    Again, **** society; individual rights are what matters.

    But yes, individual human rights are well served by imprisoning those who kill innocent human beings in aggression so they can't hurt anyone else.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    remind me how putting the mother of an aborted fetus in prison or forcing women into back alley abortions is good for society
    No one "forces" a psycho bint to kill innocent human beings, be it legal or illegal, it's a homicide with malice aforethought, done deliberately and of one's own free will. A choice, yes, but a choice like the choice to rob a bank or rape.

    But it is absolutely a good thing for such a human piece of **** to get such a greivous injury that she's sterilized or dead.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) if you are consistent you have to oppose all abortion because the fetus is not responsible for how it was conceived
    No ****.

    2) if however, you are consistent, you are forced to support abominations like opposing abortion in cases of rape, incest
    It is not an abomination to not support killing someone because of something their parents did. The abomination is yours for supporting such a thing.

    3) and you have to tell us how society is better off jailing mothers who have abortions

    I can see why women get so militant when they hear men telling them that abortion ought to be banned. Its a moronic position that only hurts society
    Individual human rights are well served by aggressive and violent killers being locked up so they can't kill again. That's why we have governments in the first place.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Not at all. You can look at things any way you want.
    Well that's certainly why or anyone else should avoid abandoning their kid, let alone killing them because they don't like how the genetic lottery turned out.

    Eugenics is alive and well, I guess.

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    Re: Ohio House bill would ban abortions spurred by diagnosis of Down syndrome

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Oh I totally support freedom and I oppose laws that don't help society

    remind me how putting the mother of an aborted fetus in prison or forcing women into back alley abortions is good for society
    there's no such thing as a "mother of an aborted fetus"...


    there's no sensible reason to imprison women who get abortions or drive them into "back alley abortions"... though there are sensible/reasonable restrictions on abortion.

    I'm certainly no fan of abortion...but after reading this thread, i'm becoming more of a fan....I'm even becoming a fan of legally aborting people after they reach adulthood.

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